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  • cajun31
    Moderator
    • Oct 2003
    • 1881
    • Brandon, MS

    #16
    If the compression is still good on that cylinder then I would also say that it is the valve stem seal.
    2 - 80 LGs bought one new
    81 LH
    02 FXSTB Nighttrain
    22 FLTRK Road Glide Limited
    Jim

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    • Radioguylogs
      XS-XJ Guru
      • Nov 2012
      • 2050
      • Presque Isle, MI

      #17
      Cams are out, and head is off.

      Went smoothly, thanks to your collective advice.

      Just like bikerphil said, the head was not a problem to break lose. A few light bops with a rubber mallet and it came free easily.

      Surprised the studs have almost no rust. Nice.

      Note: Head de-torqueing sequence is backward in the Clymer's manual. Clymer copied the diagram from the FSM. Clymer didn't notice the instruction in the FSM say to go backward from the tightening sequence, and then the FSM shows a diagram of the tightening sequence, which is a bit confusing. I had to look at the tightening instructions in the FSM to double-confirm what they meant.

      More to follow.
      Last edited by Radioguylogs; 12-08-2025, 10:03 AM.
      -Mike
      _________
      '79 XS1100SF 20k miles
      '80 XS1100SG 44k miles
      '81 XS1100H Venturer 35k miles
      '79 XS750SF 17k miles
      '85 Honda V65 Magna ~7k miles
      '84 Honda V65 Magna 48k miles (parts bike)
      '86 Yamaha VMAX 9k miles

      Previous: '68 Motoguzzi 600cc + '79 XS750SF 22k miles +'84 Honda V65

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      • Radioguylogs
        XS-XJ Guru
        • Nov 2012
        • 2050
        • Presque Isle, MI

        #18
        BTW: Manual says to clean carbon off piston crowns but don't disturb the carbon ring at the top of the cylinders.

        Do you guys think it's better to try and clean the pistons, or leave them? Seems like an unnecessary risk to get crud down into the rings.
        -Mike
        _________
        '79 XS1100SF 20k miles
        '80 XS1100SG 44k miles
        '81 XS1100H Venturer 35k miles
        '79 XS750SF 17k miles
        '85 Honda V65 Magna ~7k miles
        '84 Honda V65 Magna 48k miles (parts bike)
        '86 Yamaha VMAX 9k miles

        Previous: '68 Motoguzzi 600cc + '79 XS750SF 22k miles +'84 Honda V65

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        • DiverRay
          Moderator
          • Nov 2004
          • 7728
          • Star, IDAHO

          #19
          If it's a LOT of carbon, you need to clean them. If it seems to be a thin coating, just leave it. I would work on what the exhaust ports now look like. An easy way to clean carbon is put some Berryman's B12 on the carbon and let it set for a bit. It will take the carbon off without scratching anything. Or you can wait until you have it back together, run until warm, and then spray some B12 into the carbs until it dies. Let it set for 20 minutes and then fire it up. DO NOT do this with the garage door closed!!
          Ray Matteis
          KE6NHG
          XS1100 E '78 (winter project)
          XS1100 SF Bob Jones worked on it!

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          • bikerphil
            Master of XSology
            • Jan 2008
            • 8761
            • South Flori-DUH

            #20
            I think the same, leave alone unless excessive. Definitely clean the head though. If you need to scrape, use a rounded edge tool such as a thick feeler gauge, still have to be careful though.
            2H7 (79) owned since '89
            3H3 owned since '06

            07 Triumph Tiger 1050

            "If it ain't broke, modify it"

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            • Radioguylogs
              XS-XJ Guru
              • Nov 2012
              • 2050
              • Presque Isle, MI

              #21
              Time for an update.

              I did clean the head and the pistons.

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              I installed the new valve seals and got the head back on a few weeks ago.

              At first I found three valves clearances had shifted to the low end of the spec due to light valve lapping. I re-shimmed those and measured the compression.

              I got 155psi on all four jugs if I let the engine turn over about 20-25 times for each reading. I was pleased they all were the same and they were favorable.

              After measuring the compression, another intake valve has clearance at the low end of the spec. Must have had some crud under the valve. I am still waiting for an ordered shim to adjust that one.

              Mainly, I wanted to report the results, and thank everyone for their help on the sequence to remove and install the cams. It went easily and now it all makes sense.
              -Mike
              _________
              '79 XS1100SF 20k miles
              '80 XS1100SG 44k miles
              '81 XS1100H Venturer 35k miles
              '79 XS750SF 17k miles
              '85 Honda V65 Magna ~7k miles
              '84 Honda V65 Magna 48k miles (parts bike)
              '86 Yamaha VMAX 9k miles

              Previous: '68 Motoguzzi 600cc + '79 XS750SF 22k miles +'84 Honda V65

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              • Radioguylogs
                XS-XJ Guru
                • Nov 2012
                • 2050
                • Presque Isle, MI

                #22
                As a side note, it's apparent that the Vesrah head gasket is made so you delete the seal around the chain tunnel (at least I hope so ).

                Here is the old gasket laying top the new gasket:

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                -Mike
                _________
                '79 XS1100SF 20k miles
                '80 XS1100SG 44k miles
                '81 XS1100H Venturer 35k miles
                '79 XS750SF 17k miles
                '85 Honda V65 Magna ~7k miles
                '84 Honda V65 Magna 48k miles (parts bike)
                '86 Yamaha VMAX 9k miles

                Previous: '68 Motoguzzi 600cc + '79 XS750SF 22k miles +'84 Honda V65

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                • bikerphil
                  Master of XSology
                  • Jan 2008
                  • 8761
                  • South Flori-DUH

                  #23
                  Yes, that cam tunnel seal has been omitted from the aftermarket and OEM head gaskets for many years now.

                  2H7 (79) owned since '89
                  3H3 owned since '06

                  07 Triumph Tiger 1050

                  "If it ain't broke, modify it"

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                  • DEEBS11
                    XS-XJ Guru
                    • Feb 2023
                    • 1751
                    • Connecticut

                    #24
                    Mike, nice job on cleaning up that carbon. How did you end up doing it?

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