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  • IanDMacDonald
    XS-XJ Super Guru
    • Oct 2010
    • 3937
    • Grand Blanc & Fenton, MI

    #1

    ZRX1200 Carb Conversion

    Welp, the time has come. Performance-wise: The bike runs phenomenally. However, I presume that the throttle shaft seals are shot (increasing the idle with the idle screw, I have a hanging idle. So, I have it all the way down where I have a crisp idle, and maintain the throttle to prevent it from dying.) I don't want to bugger up the butterfly screws, attempting to remove them. So, I decided to invest in the ZRX1200 carb swap.

    I've read enough threads on the topic to make it a side project. I ordered a Chinese jet kit to try various size mains (aiming for 135/140), and pilots. I'll leave everything else alone. I bought a universal choke kit, and I'll try to mount it into the airbox (I understand the box needs to slide forward, so prepared for that). From there, I'll follow Tad's thread on the vacuum advance mod, and take it slow so I drill it out correctly.

    I hope to have this completed over the next month. The Mikuni's will get put on the shelf.
    1979 XS1100F
    2H9 Mod, Truck-Lite LED Headlight, TECHNA-FIT S/S Brake Lines, Rear Air Shocks, TKAT Fork Brace, Dyna DC-I Coils, TC Fuse Block, Barnett HD Clutch Springs, Superbike Handlebars, V-Star 650 ACCT, NGK Irridium Plugs, OEM Exhaust. CNC-Cut 2nd Gear Dogs; Ported/Milled Head; Modded Airbox: 8x8 Wix Panel Filter; #137.5 Main Jet, Viper Yellow Paint, Michelin Pilot Activ F/R, Interstate AGM Battery, 14MM MC, Maier Fairing, Cree LED Fog Lights.
  • Desert Dave
    XSive
    • Apr 2024
    • 37
    • Arizona City, AZ

    #2
    Good luck! I'm in no way an expert, but from everything that I have read those Chinese jets have been known to cause a lot of issues.

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    • IanDMacDonald
      XS-XJ Super Guru
      • Oct 2010
      • 3937
      • Grand Blanc & Fenton, MI

      #3
      Originally posted by Desert Dave
      Good luck! I'm in no way an expert, but from everything that I have read those Chinese jets have been known to cause a lot of issues.
      Once I have an understanding of jet size, I can always swap the jets to Keihin.
      1979 XS1100F
      2H9 Mod, Truck-Lite LED Headlight, TECHNA-FIT S/S Brake Lines, Rear Air Shocks, TKAT Fork Brace, Dyna DC-I Coils, TC Fuse Block, Barnett HD Clutch Springs, Superbike Handlebars, V-Star 650 ACCT, NGK Irridium Plugs, OEM Exhaust. CNC-Cut 2nd Gear Dogs; Ported/Milled Head; Modded Airbox: 8x8 Wix Panel Filter; #137.5 Main Jet, Viper Yellow Paint, Michelin Pilot Activ F/R, Interstate AGM Battery, 14MM MC, Maier Fairing, Cree LED Fog Lights.

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      • DiverRay
        Moderator
        • Nov 2004
        • 7806
        • Star, IDAHO

        #4
        The problem is the Chinese and OEM do NOT correlate size to size. A 140 main OEM may run well, but the Chinese 140 may be lean or rich.
        Ray Matteis
        KE6NHG
        XS1100 E '78 (winter project)
        XS1100 SF Bob Jones worked on it!

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        • IanDMacDonald
          XS-XJ Super Guru
          • Oct 2010
          • 3937
          • Grand Blanc & Fenton, MI

          #5
          Originally posted by DiverRay
          The problem is the Chinese and OEM do NOT correlate size to size. A 140 main OEM may run well, but the Chinese 140 may be lean or rich.
          Fair point.
          1979 XS1100F
          2H9 Mod, Truck-Lite LED Headlight, TECHNA-FIT S/S Brake Lines, Rear Air Shocks, TKAT Fork Brace, Dyna DC-I Coils, TC Fuse Block, Barnett HD Clutch Springs, Superbike Handlebars, V-Star 650 ACCT, NGK Irridium Plugs, OEM Exhaust. CNC-Cut 2nd Gear Dogs; Ported/Milled Head; Modded Airbox: 8x8 Wix Panel Filter; #137.5 Main Jet, Viper Yellow Paint, Michelin Pilot Activ F/R, Interstate AGM Battery, 14MM MC, Maier Fairing, Cree LED Fog Lights.

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          • cajun31
            Moderator
            • Oct 2003
            • 1975
            • Brandon, MS

            #6
            Those butterfly screws are not that hard to deal with if you use the right tools. I have done many. The key is to use a JIS screwdriver and I have found that if you slightly tighten the screw down just a bit then back them out it makes it easier. The screws as you are probably aware are peened on the other side and when you reinstall them just use a small dab of blue loctite on them. When rebuilding carbs I just go ahead and tear them all the way down and work on one carb body at a time going through everything. I always replace the shaft seals. Just eliminates problems. Much better to do that versus those zrx carbs if the only problem is the shaft seals.
            2 - 80 LGs bought one new
            81 LH
            02 FXSTB Nighttrain
            22 FLTRK Road Glide Limited
            Jim

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            • bikerphil
              Master of XSology
              • Jan 2008
              • 8874
              • South Flori-DUH

              #7
              The key is to use a JIS screwdriver and I have found that if you slightly tighten the screw down just a bit then back them out it makes it easier
              Yes! A serrated grip tip JIS will take those screws right out. Good advice.
              2H7 (79) owned since '89
              3H3 owned since '06

              07 Triumph Tiger 1050 (night rider)

              "If it ain't broke, modify it"

              ☮

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              • DEEBS11
                XS-XJ Guru
                • Feb 2023
                • 1991
                • Connecticut

                #8
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                • DEEBS11
                  XS-XJ Guru
                  • Feb 2023
                  • 1991
                  • Connecticut

                  #9
                  Note: Chinese jets are drilled cheaply without much quality control. You can have two jets with the same number with different orifices due to burrs. In the end you are not saving any money. They are almost impossible to work with. The bike will run but it won't run right.

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                  • LAB3
                    XSive Maximus
                    • May 2022
                    • 808
                    • Traveling the U.S. with no permanent address

                    #10
                    Originally posted by bikerphil

                    Yes! A serrated grip tip JIS will take those screws right out. Good advice.
                    Anyone running Japanese machines of any type are just asking for headaches by not using JIS screwdrivers! Well worth the $15-20 to get a set on eBay, I've never stripped out a screw head since finding out the difference and ditching the Phillips head screwdrivers.

                    There are screwdrivers that don’t slip (come out, “cam-out”) when unscrewing a tight screw. How to tell those, what are the differences?
                    1980 XS1100G

                    Intelligent people discuss ideas, average people discuss events, petty people discuss other people.

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                    • IanDMacDonald
                      XS-XJ Super Guru
                      • Oct 2010
                      • 3937
                      • Grand Blanc & Fenton, MI

                      #11
                      Originally posted by LAB3

                      Anyone running Japanese machines of any type are just asking for headaches by not using JIS screwdrivers! Well worth the $15-20 to get a set on eBay, I've never stripped out a screw head since finding out the difference and ditching the Phillips head screwdrivers.

                      https://bike.bikegremlin.com/10583/p...s-vs-pozidriv/
                      I havd a whole slew of JIS screwdrivers. I had the carbs superheated to hopefully make them easier to remove. They did not budge.
                      1979 XS1100F
                      2H9 Mod, Truck-Lite LED Headlight, TECHNA-FIT S/S Brake Lines, Rear Air Shocks, TKAT Fork Brace, Dyna DC-I Coils, TC Fuse Block, Barnett HD Clutch Springs, Superbike Handlebars, V-Star 650 ACCT, NGK Irridium Plugs, OEM Exhaust. CNC-Cut 2nd Gear Dogs; Ported/Milled Head; Modded Airbox: 8x8 Wix Panel Filter; #137.5 Main Jet, Viper Yellow Paint, Michelin Pilot Activ F/R, Interstate AGM Battery, 14MM MC, Maier Fairing, Cree LED Fog Lights.

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                      • LAB3
                        XSive Maximus
                        • May 2022
                        • 808
                        • Traveling the U.S. with no permanent address

                        #12
                        As mentioned those screws holding the butterfly to the shaft are peened so they don't work their way out and into the engine, using a die grinder or Dremel tool to reduce the splaying is necessary.
                        1980 XS1100G

                        Intelligent people discuss ideas, average people discuss events, petty people discuss other people.

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