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  • motoman
    Master of XSology
    • Aug 2005
    • 8413
    • Grand Junction, Colorado

    #121
    Originally posted by skids
    I think at 4000 and above, you are not using the pilot circuit much, including the mixture screws and pilot jets. I wonder if when you were fiddling with the choke, you were momentarily off the throttle allowing the bowls to catch-up with gas. Have you tried running without the vacuum operated fuel controller? If not, try running on prime.
    Correction skids......pilot circuit is MAXED out.
    81H Venturer1100 "The Bentley" (on steroids) 97 Yamaha YZ250(age reducer) 92 Honda ST1100 "Twisty"(touring rocket) Age is relative to the number of seconds counted 'airing' out an 85ft. table-top.

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    • Bonz
      XS-XJ Super Guru
      • Apr 2008
      • 3206
      • Palmer Lake, Colorado

      #122
      Motoman, can you clarify what you mean by the pilot circuit is "maxed" out? On the last page he says the screws are only turned out 1.25 turns.

      In my understanding, at full throttle and large throttle openings when vacuum is low, the pilot circuit is contributing less relative to idle, steady-state cruise and small throttle openings where there is high vacuum.

      To the OP, are the slide diaphragms in good condition and seated properly under the carb tops when you screw them down? I'm reaching for stuff now. It may have already been talked about but it's been seven pages!
      Howard

      ZRX1200

      BTW, ZRX carbs have the same spacing as the XS11... http://www.xs11.com/forum/showthread.php?t=35462

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      • BLOWCLVL
        XSive
        • Apr 2017
        • 73
        • Trenton, Ontario, Canada

        #123
        Originally posted by Bonz
        Motoman, can you clarify what you mean by the pilot circuit is "maxed" out? On the last page he says the screws are only turned out 1.25 turns.

        In my understanding, at full throttle and large throttle openings when vacuum is low, the pilot circuit is contributing less relative to idle, steady-state cruise and small throttle openings where there is high vacuum.

        To the OP, are the slide diaphragms in good condition and seated properly under the carb tops when you screw them down? I'm reaching for stuff now. It may have already been talked about but it's been seven pages!
        Yes the diaphragms are perfect. No light shines through and fluid doesn't either
        80 SG

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        • Bonz
          XS-XJ Super Guru
          • Apr 2008
          • 3206
          • Palmer Lake, Colorado

          #124
          Good deal!
          Howard

          ZRX1200

          BTW, ZRX carbs have the same spacing as the XS11... http://www.xs11.com/forum/showthread.php?t=35462

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          • motoman
            Master of XSology
            • Aug 2005
            • 8413
            • Grand Junction, Colorado

            #125
            Originally posted by Bonz
            Motoman, can you clarify what you mean by the pilot circuit is "maxed" out? On the last page he says the screws are only turned out 1.25 turns.

            In my understanding, at full throttle and large throttle openings when vacuum is low, the pilot circuit is contributing less relative to idle, steady-state cruise and small throttle openings where there is high vacuum.

            To the OP, are the slide diaphragms in good condition and seated properly under the carb tops when you screw them down? I'm reaching for stuff now. It may have already been talked about but it's been seven pages!
            Flow rate, because of jet orfice size is then at maximan flow(approx. 3,000rpm), therefore more fuel is fed as rpms increase thru the larger main jet circuit. Pilot jet screws out to whatever just dictates fuel/air ratio.
            81H Venturer1100 "The Bentley" (on steroids) 97 Yamaha YZ250(age reducer) 92 Honda ST1100 "Twisty"(touring rocket) Age is relative to the number of seconds counted 'airing' out an 85ft. table-top.

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            • mack
              XS-XJ Guru
              • Sep 2009
              • 2411
              • Ontario, Canada

              #126
              Bring it

              up to my place and I'll have a look at it. I'm in Frankford. My number is in my signature.
              mack
              79 XS 1100 SF Special
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              • BLOWCLVL
                XSive
                • Apr 2017
                • 73
                • Trenton, Ontario, Canada

                #127
                Originally posted by mack
                up to my place and I'll have a look at it. I'm in Frankford. My number is in my signature.
                Sounds good. I'll see when I can up.
                80 SG

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                • BLOWCLVL
                  XSive
                  • Apr 2017
                  • 73
                  • Trenton, Ontario, Canada

                  #128
                  Ok. What is this hole on the inlet side of the carb?

                  80 SG

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                  • DiverRay
                    Moderator
                    • Nov 2004
                    • 7605
                    • Star, IDAHO

                    #129
                    That should be the vent for the float chamber. IF it's not open, you have problems! Can be flooding or running lean, but usually flooding.
                    Ray Matteis
                    KE6NHG
                    XS1100 E '78 (winter project)
                    XS1100 SF Bob Jones worked on it!

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                    • BLOWCLVL
                      XSive
                      • Apr 2017
                      • 73
                      • Trenton, Ontario, Canada

                      #130
                      Originally posted by DiverRay
                      That should be the vent for the float chamber. IF it's not open, you have problems! Can be flooding or running lean, but usually flooding.
                      Well the number one carb is leaking from it. Just started after I cleaned the carbs yet again lol. With still no change in how it runs lol
                      80 SG

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                      • DiverRay
                        Moderator
                        • Nov 2004
                        • 7605
                        • Star, IDAHO

                        #131
                        Mount the carbs with a C clamp on a 2X8 so they are upright. Pull the bowls and use a long ziptie to keep the floats in the closed position. One side at a time, put a fuel line from a remote tank ABOVE the carbs and allow the fuel to flow. Look to see if it IS flowing, as it should NOT. You may find a leak around the "O" ring that seals the seat for the needle, or you may find a crack in the casting causing the problems.
                        Ray Matteis
                        KE6NHG
                        XS1100 E '78 (winter project)
                        XS1100 SF Bob Jones worked on it!

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                        • motoman
                          Master of XSology
                          • Aug 2005
                          • 8413
                          • Grand Junction, Colorado

                          #132
                          Well, for starters, you seriously need to check those float levels....specially #1. Fuel levels in bowls are to high, and likely attribute majority of issues your having. Float setting is 23mm for those carbs.
                          Last edited by motoman; 06-01-2017, 05:40 PM.
                          81H Venturer1100 "The Bentley" (on steroids) 97 Yamaha YZ250(age reducer) 92 Honda ST1100 "Twisty"(touring rocket) Age is relative to the number of seconds counted 'airing' out an 85ft. table-top.

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                          • red bandit
                            XSive Maximus
                            • May 2005
                            • 950
                            • central michigan

                            #133
                            The red arrow in post 128 is the air jet for the main jet. The bowl vents are the two top holes in the bell, left & right. I don't know how you can tell the fuel level in the bowls. There is no tubing connected to the bowls. The tubes are from the petcocks. I don't know where the tube on the left of petcock is from???
                            79 F full cruiser, stainless brake lines, spade fuses, Accel coils, modded air box w/larger velocity stacks, 750 FD.
                            79 SF parts bike.

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                            • skids
                              XS-XJ Super Guru
                              • Jul 2002
                              • 5047
                              • Florissant, CO, USA

                              #134
                              If have seen corrosion along the float pin to where it it dosn't allow propper movement of the float.
                              I have also seen sticky float needles in the valve.
                              Too much bending of the float tange can make it at such an angle with the needle valve that it may malfunction.
                              Float bowl gaskets can interfere by rubbing on the float bulb(s).
                              The seals around the needle valve seat can crach/split/leak.
                              Improper float height.

                              If someone has installed non-stock needles or other parts, it is recommended that the manometer method be used for float height, although it seems that your problem is due to something else as listed above. You have a free-flowing float valve for some reason...
                              Skids (Sid Hansen)

                              Down to one 1978 E. Stock air box with K&N filter, 81H pipes and carbs, 8500 feet elevation.

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                              • BLOWCLVL
                                XSive
                                • Apr 2017
                                • 73
                                • Trenton, Ontario, Canada

                                #135
                                Originally posted by DiverRay
                                Mount the carbs with a C clamp on a 2X8 so they are upright. Pull the bowls and use a long ziptie to keep the floats in the closed position. One side at a time, put a fuel line from a remote tank ABOVE the carbs and allow the fuel to flow. Look to see if it IS flowing, as it should NOT. You may find a leak around the "O" ring that seals the seat for the needle, or you may find a crack in the casting causing the problems.
                                Will try that.
                                80 SG

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