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  • jwhughes3
    XS-XJ Guru
    • Sep 2009
    • 2798
    • Home of the Alamo

    #2326
    Mike,

    I can tell you that Greg's bike has a 750 FD in it and had no issues on the Dragon.

    John
    John is in an anonymous city with an Alamo (N29.519227,W-98.678980)

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    '81 XS1100H - "Enterprise"
    Bob Jones Custom Navy bike: Tkat brace, EBC floating rotors & SS lines, ROX pivot risers, Geezer rectifier, new 3H3 engine

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    • BA80
      Doctor of XSology
      • Oct 2010
      • 9980
      • Tulsa, Ok

      #2327
      FYI Mike, the Special with a 16" wheel and the FD mod is exactly the same gear ratio as a Standard with a 17" wheel without the FD mod.
      Greg

      Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”

      ― Albert Einstein

      80 SG Ol' Okie;79 engine & carbs w/pods, 45 pilots, 140 mains, Custom Mac 4 into 2 exhaust, ACCT,XS850 final drive,110/90/19 front tire,TKat fork brace, XS750 140 MPH speedometer, Vetter IV fairing, aftermarket hard bags and trunk, LG high back seat, XJ rear shocks.

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      • jetmechmarty
        Master of XSology
        • Nov 2003
        • 7765
        • Coldwater, Mississippi

        #2328
        Originally posted by BA80
        FYI Mike, the Special with a 16" wheel and the FD mod is exactly the same gear ratio as a Standard with a 17" wheel without the FD mod.
        That being the case, if I had a standard, I'd probably swap to a 16 inch wheel. I'd get more RPM and better tire selection. WIN/WIN!

        Hey! Somebody has to play the contrarian around here.
        Marty (in Mississippi)
        XS1100SG
        XS650SK
        XS650SH
        XS650G
        XS6502F
        XS650E

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        • BA80
          Doctor of XSology
          • Oct 2010
          • 9980
          • Tulsa, Ok

          #2329
          It just depends on what you like Marty. With the mod on my Special I really don't notice a difference except wheelies are tougher and my RPM dropped about 1000 on the highway in high gear.

          I can only get about 97MPH in 5th because the engine runs out of poop with the taller gearing but shift down to 4th and it's just like stock gearing in 5th.

          120 - 130MPH

          Didn't really notice a difference in mileage but I'm certain it's much easier on the engine running 5K @80 than it is running 6K @ 80 all day long.
          Greg

          Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”

          ― Albert Einstein

          80 SG Ol' Okie;79 engine & carbs w/pods, 45 pilots, 140 mains, Custom Mac 4 into 2 exhaust, ACCT,XS850 final drive,110/90/19 front tire,TKat fork brace, XS750 140 MPH speedometer, Vetter IV fairing, aftermarket hard bags and trunk, LG high back seat, XJ rear shocks.

          The list changes.

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          • MPittma100
            XS-XJ Guru
            • Aug 2011
            • 2359
            • Atlanta, GA.

            #2330
            FD Swap

            Kinda makes you wonder why Yamaha did not do that to start with? I suppose that they were looking more at the acceleration time than the high gear comfort.

            MP
            1981 XS1100H Venturer
            K&N Air Filter
            ACCT
            Custom Paint by Deitz
            Geezer Rectifier/Regulator
            Chacal Stainless Steel Braided Brake Lines
            Chrome Front Rotor & Caliper Covers
            Stebel Nautilus Horn
            EBC Front Rotors
            Limie Accent Moves On In 2015

            Mike

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            • BA80
              Doctor of XSology
              • Oct 2010
              • 9980
              • Tulsa, Ok

              #2331
              There's an old thread on here about that. It's rumored that the 750/850 FD was going to go on the 11 but in order to claim the bragging rights for the 11 second 1/4 mile they went with the lower geared FD to make it quicker in the short run.

              Don't know if it's a fact or not but that's something I've heard over the years.
              Greg

              Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”

              ― Albert Einstein

              80 SG Ol' Okie;79 engine & carbs w/pods, 45 pilots, 140 mains, Custom Mac 4 into 2 exhaust, ACCT,XS850 final drive,110/90/19 front tire,TKat fork brace, XS750 140 MPH speedometer, Vetter IV fairing, aftermarket hard bags and trunk, LG high back seat, XJ rear shocks.

              The list changes.

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              • jetmechmarty
                Master of XSology
                • Nov 2003
                • 7765
                • Coldwater, Mississippi

                #2332
                My XS650 has stock sprockets on it. The engine makes a lot more grunt at lower RPM than my XS1100 (no stock pipes). At 55 mph, the XS650 runs a 2-3 hundred less RPM than the XS1100. I believe it's all by design.

                As for me, I have little use for a superslab highway bike. I rarely ride like that. Lucky me!
                Marty (in Mississippi)
                XS1100SG
                XS650SK
                XS650SH
                XS650G
                XS6502F
                XS650E

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                • MPittma100
                  XS-XJ Guru
                  • Aug 2011
                  • 2359
                  • Atlanta, GA.

                  #2333
                  850 fd

                  Greg,

                  That makes a lot of sense. Acceleration times are greatly enhanced with gear changes. I think (unless I was always racing) that the less RPMS at highway speed is a better idea.

                  IIRC, the 750/850 to the 1100 is not a plug an play switch. Something about a spacer?

                  MP
                  1981 XS1100H Venturer
                  K&N Air Filter
                  ACCT
                  Custom Paint by Deitz
                  Geezer Rectifier/Regulator
                  Chacal Stainless Steel Braided Brake Lines
                  Chrome Front Rotor & Caliper Covers
                  Stebel Nautilus Horn
                  EBC Front Rotors
                  Limie Accent Moves On In 2015

                  Mike

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                  • Prisoner6
                    XS-XJ Guru
                    • Aug 2013
                    • 1184
                    • Phoenix, AZ

                    #2334
                    Originally posted by BA80
                    It's rumored that the 750/850 FD was going to go on the 11 but in order to claim the bragging rights for the 11 second 1/4 mile they went with the lower geared FD to make it quicker in the short run.

                    Don't know if it's a fact or not but that's something I've heard over the years.
                    If it's true, it would make perfect sense to me ...

                    Back in the late 70's/early 80's, the Big 4 were all clamoring to have the "quickest/fastest" bike on the road ...
                    Last edited by Prisoner6; 06-09-2014, 02:14 PM.
                    Marco

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                    • motoman
                      Master of XSology
                      • Aug 2005
                      • 8413
                      • Grand Junction, Colorado

                      #2335
                      Originally posted by BA80
                      There's an old thread on here about that. It's rumored that the 750/850 FD was going to go on the 11 but in order to claim the bragging rights for the 11 second 1/4 mile they went with the lower geared FD to make it quicker in the short run.

                      Don't know if it's a fact or not but that's something I've heard over the years.
                      ........and it was a win, win for mother Yammy with the Jimmy Carter 'double-nickel' speed limits nationwide with motor right at its most efficient rpm range of 4K.
                      I would 'push the envelope' back then on LD rides two-up occassionally to 65mph, but back then, always thought above that 4,000rpm range was 'pushin' the motor too hard.
                      Forward 30+ yrs., think nuttin' of it runnin' a constant 5-5200rpm@80mph hour on end out on the slab. That motor seems happiest in the 4-5K range, with no downshifting needed for passing spinning the stock final drive.
                      81H Venturer1100 "The Bentley" (on steroids) 97 Yamaha YZ250(age reducer) 92 Honda ST1100 "Twisty"(touring rocket) Age is relative to the number of seconds counted 'airing' out an 85ft. table-top.

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                      • jetmechmarty
                        Master of XSology
                        • Nov 2003
                        • 7765
                        • Coldwater, Mississippi

                        #2336
                        You're right Motoman! If I'm doing 70 mph on the slab and want to scoot by a truck, I just give a twist. The engine was already running in happy land. This is not a paint bucket piston v-twin. RPM are needed for HP and TQ.
                        Marty (in Mississippi)
                        XS1100SG
                        XS650SK
                        XS650SH
                        XS650G
                        XS6502F
                        XS650E

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                        • STEPPENWOLF
                          XS-XJ Super Guru
                          • Jan 2007
                          • 4188
                          • CINCINNATI OH

                          #2337
                          As Motoman said 55 was the speed limit,why gear higher? I have the 750 as a fd now and I do have a little problem remembering what I gear I am in as I always sorrta rode by the feel and rpm of the engine for shifting and cruising.
                          But I had a '70 650 also,I went with a 39 tooth rear sprocket as I started to keep local with it,port and polish,10 plus Weber cam and a 750 bore kit..quick city bike,no more super slab
                          '80 XS1100 SG
                          Don't let the good times pass you by..grab all you can
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                          • jetmechmarty
                            Master of XSology
                            • Nov 2003
                            • 7765
                            • Coldwater, Mississippi

                            #2338
                            Originally posted by STEPPENWOLF
                            But I had a '70 650 also,I went with a 39 tooth rear sprocket as I started to keep local with it,port and polish,10 plus Weber cam and a 750 bore kit..quick city bike,no more super slab
                            I tried that too! It was huge fun in town. Then I got a job 50 miles down the road. At 55 mph, I thought that thing was going to shake my teeth loose! Back to stock it went and it's been that way ever since.
                            Marty (in Mississippi)
                            XS1100SG
                            XS650SK
                            XS650SH
                            XS650G
                            XS6502F
                            XS650E

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                            • The Lorax
                              XS-XJ Guru
                              • Jun 2005
                              • 1048
                              • Riverside, OH

                              #2339
                              Today, I adjusted valve clearances. Awesome!
                              Have a nice day and ride safe
                              I am the Lorax, I speak for the Trees

                              '80 XS1100 SG (It's Evil, Wicked, Mean & Nasty)

                              '79 XS1100 F R (IL Barrachino)

                              '00 Suzuki Intruder 1400 (La Soccola)

                              '77 KZ400s (La Putana)

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                              • jetmechmarty
                                Master of XSology
                                • Nov 2003
                                • 7765
                                • Coldwater, Mississippi

                                #2340
                                Originally posted by The Lorax
                                Today, I adjusted valve clearances. Awesome!
                                Have a nice day and ride safe
                                You'll need to put 1300 trouble free miles on her for XS Southeast. Ready?
                                Marty (in Mississippi)
                                XS1100SG
                                XS650SK
                                XS650SH
                                XS650G
                                XS6502F
                                XS650E

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