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That makes sense... From my minor understanding in fluid dynamics, I can't see that very light air movement creating enough vacuum to move anyhing up from the bowls... unluss we start talking on a molecular level... then yes of course it does, some fumes perhaps, but I would have to agree with your word usage on miniscule. Unless there is that crossover casting like motoman is talking about? Maybe that isencouraging what you are referring to? I honestly have no idea.
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That makes sense... From my minor understanding in fluid dynamics, I can't see that very light air movement creating enough vacuum to move anyhing up from the bowls... unluss we start talking on a molecular level... then yes of course it does, some fumes perhaps, but I would have to agree with your word usage on miniscule. Unless there is that crossover casting like motoman is talking about? Maybe that isencouraging what you are referring to? I honestly have no idea.Have:
1994 FZR600
1982 XJ1100
Had:
1996 YZF600R
2001 Honda xr125
Suzuki race 80
Honda PW 50
Etc.
Getting:
1977 DT400 -
Just bought these jets
Mikuni Carb Parts - 100/604 - Mikuni Main Jet - Size 112.5
Mikuni Carb Parts - 100/604 - Mikuni Main Jet - Size 115
Mikuni Carb Parts - 100/604 - Mikuni Main Jet - Size 117.5
Mikuni Carb Parts - 100/604 - Mikuni Main Jet - Size 122.5
Mikuni Carb Parts - Genuine Mikuni OEM Pilot Jet - Size 47.5
Mikuni Carb Parts - Genuine Mikuni OEM Pilot Jet - Size 50
Mikuni Carb Parts - Genuine Mikuni OEM Pilot Jet - Size 52.5
SHOULD SUFFICE TUNING?! hahaha I hope so.
Don't tell me those mains are not OEM because they don't say so right there... -_-Have:
1994 FZR600
1982 XJ1100
Had:
1996 YZF600R
2001 Honda xr125
Suzuki race 80
Honda PW 50
Etc.
Getting:
1977 DT400Comment
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Went with BA80's suggestion as they are cheaper, and I hope I don't regret it!
Got these jets in THOSE ^^^ sizes
Have:
1994 FZR600
1982 XJ1100
Had:
1996 YZF600R
2001 Honda xr125
Suzuki race 80
Honda PW 50
Etc.
Getting:
1977 DT400Comment
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Dylano,
Unless someone swapped the carbs, your XJ1100 does not have the cross-over passage in the casting between the main jet well and the pilot jet well.
Just a quick heads-up before you start changing main jets and drive yourself crazy: A basically open exhaust with pod air filters is basically not going to work right.
The slide needles (Jet Needles) in the XJ carbs are short, pointy little things with a taper that opens up the main jets fairly quickly in the mid-range and completely clear the main jets soon after that.
The main jets that will give you the best power and top speed will probably be so rich they'll make your eyes burn, and children and pets will cry when you ride by them on the street.
Put the stock 47.5 pilot jets back in the carbs and tune the top end first.
Start with the stock 112.5 mains in the outer carbs and put 115 mains in the middle carbs.
Next, try 115 all the way across.
Next, try 115 in the outer carbs with 117.5 in the middle carbs.
Next, try 117.5 all the way across.
Next, try 117.5 in the outer carbs with 120 in the middle carbs.
Next try 120 all the way across.
Next try 120 in the outer carbs with 122.5 in the middle carbs.
Next, try 122.5 all the way across.
You see where this is going, right?
After you get the top end dialed in, work on the low and midrange power/performance.
There are no Mikuni needles available for tuning the low and mid-range power on your XJ11 so you'll just have to deal with the needles you have now.
If the 47.5 pilot jets are too lean, try the the 50 jets.
Next, try the 52.5 but I think those will probably be too rich.
Yeah, it's a long process and you're probably going to be removing and installing the carbs a whole bunch of times before you get it close to where you want it.
Happy tuning!
.-- Scott
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2004 ST1300A: No name... yet
1982 XJ1100J: "Baby" SS Brakes, '850 FD, ACCT
1980 XS1100G: "Columbo" SS Brakes, '850 FD, ACCT
1979 XS1100SF: "Bush" W.I.P.
1979 XS1100F: parts
2018 Heritage Softail Classic 117 FLHCS SE: "Nanuk" It's DEAD, it's not just resting. It is an EX cycle.
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Dylano,
Unless someone swapped the carbs, your XJ1100 does not have the cross-over passage in the casting between the main jet well and the pilot jet well.
Just a quick heads-up before you start changing main jets and drive yourself crazy: A basically open exhaust with pod air filters is basically not going to work right.
The slide needles (Jet Needles) in the XJ carbs are short, pointy little things with a taper that opens up the main jets fairly quickly in the mid-range and completely clear the main jets soon after that.
The main jets that will give you the best power and top speed will probably be so rich they'll make your eyes burn, and children and pets will cry when you ride by them on the street.
Put the stock 47.5 pilot jets back in the carbs and tune the top end first.
Start with the stock 112.5 mains in the outer carbs and put 115 mains in the middle carbs.
Next, try 115 all the way across.
Next, try 115 in the outer carbs with 117.5 in the middle carbs.
Next, try 117.5 all the way across.
Next, try 117.5 in the outer carbs with 120 in the middle carbs.
Next try 120 all the way across.
Next try 120 in the outer carbs with 122.5 in the middle carbs.
Next, try 122.5 all the way across.
You see where this is going, right?
After you get the top end dialed in, work on the low and midrange power/performance.
There are no Mikuni needles available for tuning the low and mid-range power on your XJ11 so you'll just have to deal with the needles you have now.
If the 47.5 pilot jets are too lean, try the the 50 jets.
Next, try the 52.5 but I think those will probably be too rich.
Yeah, it's a long process and you're probably going to be removing and installing the carbs a whole bunch of times before you get it close to where you want it.
Happy tuning!
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Sounds like a plan! I've had the carbs out more times than I care to admit adready, so I've gonnet great practice, hahaha
Why would it be a good idea to mix main jet sizes? Wouldn't I want them all running the same?Have:
1994 FZR600
1982 XJ1100
Had:
1996 YZF600R
2001 Honda xr125
Suzuki race 80
Honda PW 50
Etc.
Getting:
1977 DT400Comment
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Idea is to quench those center running cyl. a bit richer since they run a bit hotter..........specially with your existing(or non existing) exhaust and intake combined
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The Venturer was set up that way, 2steps richer center two cyl. having the extra payload, even though having the oil cooler.......just an FYI.
81H Venturer1100 "The Bentley" (on steroids) 97 Yamaha YZ250(age reducer) 92 Honda ST1100 "Twisty"(touring rocket) Age is relative to the number of seconds counted 'airing' out an 85ft. table-top.Comment
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That interesting. makes perfect sense. I'll give it a try.Idea is to quench those center running cyl. a bit richer since they run a bit hotter..........specially with your existing(or non existing) exhaust and intake combined.
The Venturer was set up that way, 2steps richer center two cyl. having the extra payload, even though having the oil cooler.......just an FYI.
Thanks again everyone.
I will be working on it this weekend.,
and again whenever those jets com in, probably NEXT weekend.
I will be reporting back with updates.Have:
1994 FZR600
1982 XJ1100
Had:
1996 YZF600R
2001 Honda xr125
Suzuki race 80
Honda PW 50
Etc.
Getting:
1977 DT400Comment
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Good luck, Dylano!
I don't know if you're familiar with the YICS system on your XJ but while you have some down time you should take the time to learn how to clean it, then buy or make a YICS block-off tool for synchronizing the carburetors.
.-- Scott
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2004 ST1300A: No name... yet
1982 XJ1100J: "Baby" SS Brakes, '850 FD, ACCT
1980 XS1100G: "Columbo" SS Brakes, '850 FD, ACCT
1979 XS1100SF: "Bush" W.I.P.
1979 XS1100F: parts
2018 Heritage Softail Classic 117 FLHCS SE: "Nanuk" It's DEAD, it's not just resting. It is an EX cycle.
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Nathan
KD9ARL
μολὼν λαβέ
1978 XS1100E
K&N Filter
#45 pilot Jet, #137.5 Main Jet
OEM Exhaust
ATK Fork Brace
LED Dash lights
Ammeter, Oil Pressure, Oil Temp, and Volt Meters
Green Monster Coils
SS Brake Lines
Vision 550 Auto Tensioner
In any moment of decision the best thing you can do is the right thing, the next best thing is the wrong thing, and the worst thing you can do is nothing.
Theodore RooseveltComment
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YICS connects the intake tracts to help the mixture burn more completely. Vacuum is being "shared" and a true individual vacuum reading on each carb is not possible, unless the system is blocked off. I think that describes it?Howard
ZRX1200
BTW, ZRX carbs have the same spacing as the XS11... http://www.xs11.com/forum/showthread.php?t=35462Comment
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Let It Flo
YICS AND WHY YOU SHOULD LOVE IT:
"... the underlying theme is "greater fuel efficiency", and NOT one of more power or performance-—-although the two do go hand-in-hand."
It's difficult to almost impossible to sync the carbs on a factory stock bike without blocking off the YICS. With pod filters and the open exhaust I think you'd be wasting your time without blocking off the YICS ports.Would syncing the carbs without it really be that bad?
Regarding the different carburetor specs here's a thread from our friends across the pond:-
Carb Specs by Model
A pair nicely chilled and stacked should help insure you extinguish your thirst for knowlege!
.-- Scott
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2004 ST1300A: No name... yet
1982 XJ1100J: "Baby" SS Brakes, '850 FD, ACCT
1980 XS1100G: "Columbo" SS Brakes, '850 FD, ACCT
1979 XS1100SF: "Bush" W.I.P.
1979 XS1100F: parts
2018 Heritage Softail Classic 117 FLHCS SE: "Nanuk" It's DEAD, it's not just resting. It is an EX cycle.
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UPDATE!
Right now I just found, 47.5 (stock) pilot jets
WITH the 2-1-2-1 pattern.
with those installed here are my results.
(bike warmed up)
PILOT SCREW:
1.5 turns out, bike only starts with choke engaged, and dies immediately with any throttle
2.5 turns out, bike starts and stumbles with throttle.
3 same but seemed a little worse,
3.5 same seeming
4 seemed a little better maybe?
4.5 about the same had a good backfire pop with this one I think
5 dies with throttleHave:
1994 FZR600
1982 XJ1100
Had:
1996 YZF600R
2001 Honda xr125
Suzuki race 80
Honda PW 50
Etc.
Getting:
1977 DT400Comment
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All that while having the 117.5 small mikuni round jets installed as mains....
I HAVE 112.5 mains on hand, the large round ones, but I don't see that making a difference.Have:
1994 FZR600
1982 XJ1100
Had:
1996 YZF600R
2001 Honda xr125
Suzuki race 80
Honda PW 50
Etc.
Getting:
1977 DT400Comment
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You've still got something plugged up or your WAY off on the sync. What does it do when you ease into the throttle?Greg
Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
80 SG Ol' Okie;79 engine & carbs w/pods, 45 pilots, 140 mains, Custom Mac 4 into 2 exhaust, ACCT,XS850 final drive,110/90/19 front tire,TKat fork brace, XS750 140 MPH speedometer, Vetter IV fairing, aftermarket hard bags and trunk, LG high back seat, XJ rear shocks.
The list changes.
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