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  • Old Red
    XStremely XSive
    • Jul 2012
    • 290
    • Greenville, NC

    #16
    “Everything else seemed fine. No backfiring or other strange sounds.”

    Are you saying it is running fine, on all four cylinders? If it is running on all four cylinders I doubt you have a bent valve.

    The other Earl
    80SG, 81SH, 80 standard parts bike, 81SH parts bike
    and new to me 78 standard dresser

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    • Tat2demon
      XSive Maximus
      • Jun 2012
      • 718
      • Sioux Falls, South Dakota

      #17
      Originally posted by skids
      Sorry, but it is the truth. Even if you had light contact afterwords, the stems could be bent not letting the piston/valve contact to occur because the bent valves are open. Here is the positive that you are looking for...you might be lucky. Do you feel lucky?
      I'm not necessarily looking for positive but "U R Screwed" is anything but helpful.

      Rechecked the shims, 2 were still a little on the tight side. Compression test showed fine all the way across but the motor was cold. Will check again tomorrow after I swap those two shims and am able to warm it up first.
      Nate

      78 XS11 "Matilda" 2H7 000364

      2001 Raptor ACCT, T.C. Fuse Box, TC Bros Forward Controls
      Kuryakyn Iso Grips/Throttleboss/Bar End Mirror, Custom Covered Seat
      Shinko 712s, HID Headlight, RC Performance Exhaust
      Bikemaster Daytona Handlebars, Galfer SS Brake Lines
      Barnett HD Clutch Springs, T.C. Spin On Filter Adapter
      K+N Air Filter

      88 Voyager XII
      81 XJ650 Maxim

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      • Tat2demon
        XSive Maximus
        • Jun 2012
        • 718
        • Sioux Falls, South Dakota

        #18
        Originally posted by Old Red
        “Everything else seemed fine. No backfiring or other strange sounds.”

        Are you saying it is running fine, on all four cylinders? If it is running on all four cylinders I doubt you have a bent valve.

        The other Earl
        Yeah other than the one being a more noticeably loud than the others it seems to be running just fine. We got more snow yesterday so I wasnt able to take it out. Just ran it in the garage.
        Nate

        78 XS11 "Matilda" 2H7 000364

        2001 Raptor ACCT, T.C. Fuse Box, TC Bros Forward Controls
        Kuryakyn Iso Grips/Throttleboss/Bar End Mirror, Custom Covered Seat
        Shinko 712s, HID Headlight, RC Performance Exhaust
        Bikemaster Daytona Handlebars, Galfer SS Brake Lines
        Barnett HD Clutch Springs, T.C. Spin On Filter Adapter
        K+N Air Filter

        88 Voyager XII
        81 XJ650 Maxim

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        • skids
          XS-XJ Super Guru
          • Jul 2002
          • 5047
          • Florissant, CO, USA

          #19
          Originally posted by Tat2demon
          I'm not necessarily looking for positive but "U R Screwed" is anything but helpful.

          Rechecked the shims, 2 were still a little on the tight side. Compression test showed fine all the way across but the motor was cold. Will check again tomorrow after I swap those two shims and am able to warm it up first.
          In that case, you are probably in good shape. When you bend a valve stem they tend to stick in the open position, giving excessive valve to cam lobe clearance.
          Skids (Sid Hansen)

          Down to one 1978 E. Stock air box with K&N filter, 81H pipes and carbs, 8500 feet elevation.

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          • Tat2demon
            XSive Maximus
            • Jun 2012
            • 718
            • Sioux Falls, South Dakota

            #20
            That would make sense.

            Its a good thing I had to work on it again. As I was, it occurred to me that I didn't torque my clutch star plate bolts when I put it back together last night.
            Nate

            78 XS11 "Matilda" 2H7 000364

            2001 Raptor ACCT, T.C. Fuse Box, TC Bros Forward Controls
            Kuryakyn Iso Grips/Throttleboss/Bar End Mirror, Custom Covered Seat
            Shinko 712s, HID Headlight, RC Performance Exhaust
            Bikemaster Daytona Handlebars, Galfer SS Brake Lines
            Barnett HD Clutch Springs, T.C. Spin On Filter Adapter
            K+N Air Filter

            88 Voyager XII
            81 XJ650 Maxim

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            • DGXSER
              Doctor of XSology(Deceased)
              • Nov 2008
              • 12001
              • Cincinnati, Ohio

              #21
              OK, two suggestions....

              1. Check the rest of the nuts and bolts you installed or didn't during your evening of working on the bike in a drunken stupor.

              2. Do not work on your bike in a drunken stupor anymore!!

              Seriously though, does sound like you might want to slow it up a little bit on the assembly processes. But yes, if your compression numbers all look good I doubt seriously you have any bent valves.
              Life is what happens while your planning everything else!

              When your work speaks for itself, don't interrupt.

              81 XS1100 Special - Humpty Dumpty
              80 XS1100 Special - Project Resurrection


              Previously owned
              93 GSX600F
              80 XS1100 Special - Ruby
              81 XS1100 Special
              81 CB750 C
              80 CB750 C
              78 XS750

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              • GLoweVA
                XS-XJ Guru
                • Jun 2011
                • 1957
                • Virginia Beach, VA.

                #22
                Just a thought, but an exhaust leak may sound like 'tink' 'tink' and may seem like a valve noise.
                Try spraying some fine mist type water from a spray bottle (or smoke like from a cigar) around the headers and see if it goes 'puff' 'puff' somewhere, that'll be an exhaust leak.

                I've got a couple of leaks and I can believe that it may seem (hear) like valve noise.

                +1, if the compression numbers are all good and the shims are in(or near) spec then all should be good with the engine, then your 'extra' noise is coming from something else.
                Hi, my name is George & I'm a twisty addict!

                80G (Green paint(PO idea))
                The Green Monster
                K&N A/F, TC's fuse block, '81 oil cooler, TC's homemade 4-2 w/Mac Mufflers, Raptor 660 ACCT
                Got him in '04.
                bald tire & borrowing parts

                80SG (Black w/red emblems & calipers)
                Scarlet
                K&N A/F, TC's fuse block, WJ5, Shoei bags, Raptor 660 ACCT.
                Got her in '11
                Ready for the twisties!

                81H (previously CPMaynard's)
                Hugo
                Full Venturer, Indigo Blue with B/W painted tank.
                Cold weather ride

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                • Tat2demon
                  XSive Maximus
                  • Jun 2012
                  • 718
                  • Sioux Falls, South Dakota

                  #23
                  Originally posted by DGXSER
                  OK, two suggestions....

                  1. Check the rest of the nuts and bolts you installed or didn't during your evening of working on the bike in a drunken stupor.

                  2. Do not work on your bike in a drunken stupor anymore!!

                  Seriously though, does sound like you might want to slow it up a little bit on the assembly processes. But yes, if your compression numbers all look good I doubt seriously you have any bent valves.
                  Lol no drinking that night. Just too many interruptions. It seems anytime people see me working on the bike they decide thats the best time to come talk to me.
                  Nate

                  78 XS11 "Matilda" 2H7 000364

                  2001 Raptor ACCT, T.C. Fuse Box, TC Bros Forward Controls
                  Kuryakyn Iso Grips/Throttleboss/Bar End Mirror, Custom Covered Seat
                  Shinko 712s, HID Headlight, RC Performance Exhaust
                  Bikemaster Daytona Handlebars, Galfer SS Brake Lines
                  Barnett HD Clutch Springs, T.C. Spin On Filter Adapter
                  K+N Air Filter

                  88 Voyager XII
                  81 XJ650 Maxim

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                  • Tat2demon
                    XSive Maximus
                    • Jun 2012
                    • 718
                    • Sioux Falls, South Dakota

                    #24
                    Originally posted by GLoweVA
                    Just a thought, but an exhaust leak may sound like 'tink' 'tink' and may seem like a valve noise.
                    Try spraying some fine mist type water from a spray bottle (or smoke like from a cigar) around the headers and see if it goes 'puff' 'puff' somewhere, that'll be an exhaust leak.

                    I've got a couple of leaks and I can believe that it may seem (hear) like valve noise.

                    +1, if the compression numbers are all good and the shims are in(or near) spec then all should be good with the engine, then your 'extra' noise is coming from something else.
                    I hadnt considered that. I did put in new exhaust gaskets the same day. Ill have to check that when it warms up a little out there.
                    Nate

                    78 XS11 "Matilda" 2H7 000364

                    2001 Raptor ACCT, T.C. Fuse Box, TC Bros Forward Controls
                    Kuryakyn Iso Grips/Throttleboss/Bar End Mirror, Custom Covered Seat
                    Shinko 712s, HID Headlight, RC Performance Exhaust
                    Bikemaster Daytona Handlebars, Galfer SS Brake Lines
                    Barnett HD Clutch Springs, T.C. Spin On Filter Adapter
                    K+N Air Filter

                    88 Voyager XII
                    81 XJ650 Maxim

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                    • Tat2demon
                      XSive Maximus
                      • Jun 2012
                      • 718
                      • Sioux Falls, South Dakota

                      #25
                      With the motor warmed up I got 170-145-165-170. The one making the noise is the 165.

                      I started a paper towel on fire for some smoke and didnt see any exhaust leak with that but Ill try again later when the gf gets home and I can use a cigarette.
                      Nate

                      78 XS11 "Matilda" 2H7 000364

                      2001 Raptor ACCT, T.C. Fuse Box, TC Bros Forward Controls
                      Kuryakyn Iso Grips/Throttleboss/Bar End Mirror, Custom Covered Seat
                      Shinko 712s, HID Headlight, RC Performance Exhaust
                      Bikemaster Daytona Handlebars, Galfer SS Brake Lines
                      Barnett HD Clutch Springs, T.C. Spin On Filter Adapter
                      K+N Air Filter

                      88 Voyager XII
                      81 XJ650 Maxim

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                      • BA80
                        Doctor of XSology
                        • Oct 2010
                        • 9980
                        • Tulsa, Ok

                        #26
                        Two things, 1) Did you check the compression with the throttle wide open? It needs to be open to get an accurate reading. 2) Put a little oil in each cylinder and recheck.

                        If your getting 165 in the noisy one it isn't a bent valve, possibly the clearance isn't just right yet.

                        All those readings are pretty fair. The 145 is a touch low but not bent valve low.
                        Greg

                        Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”

                        ― Albert Einstein

                        80 SG Ol' Okie;79 engine & carbs w/pods, 45 pilots, 140 mains, Custom Mac 4 into 2 exhaust, ACCT,XS850 final drive,110/90/19 front tire,TKat fork brace, XS750 140 MPH speedometer, Vetter IV fairing, aftermarket hard bags and trunk, LG high back seat, XJ rear shocks.

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                        • skids
                          XS-XJ Super Guru
                          • Jul 2002
                          • 5047
                          • Florissant, CO, USA

                          #27
                          Originally posted by Tat2demon
                          With the motor warmed up I got 170-145-165-170. The one making the noise is the 165.
                          Oh my, that compression is way too high! Are you sure you put the head gasket back in? (just kidding)
                          Skids (Sid Hansen)

                          Down to one 1978 E. Stock air box with K&N filter, 81H pipes and carbs, 8500 feet elevation.

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                          • Tat2demon
                            XSive Maximus
                            • Jun 2012
                            • 718
                            • Sioux Falls, South Dakota

                            #28
                            Yep throttle was open. Will try it with oil tomorrow.
                            Nate

                            78 XS11 "Matilda" 2H7 000364

                            2001 Raptor ACCT, T.C. Fuse Box, TC Bros Forward Controls
                            Kuryakyn Iso Grips/Throttleboss/Bar End Mirror, Custom Covered Seat
                            Shinko 712s, HID Headlight, RC Performance Exhaust
                            Bikemaster Daytona Handlebars, Galfer SS Brake Lines
                            Barnett HD Clutch Springs, T.C. Spin On Filter Adapter
                            K+N Air Filter

                            88 Voyager XII
                            81 XJ650 Maxim

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                            • Tat2demon
                              XSive Maximus
                              • Jun 2012
                              • 718
                              • Sioux Falls, South Dakota

                              #29
                              Originally posted by skids
                              Oh my, that compression is way too high! Are you sure you put the head gasket back in? (just kidding)
                              I thought those numbers were a bit high too but its a cheap $28 gauge.
                              Nate

                              78 XS11 "Matilda" 2H7 000364

                              2001 Raptor ACCT, T.C. Fuse Box, TC Bros Forward Controls
                              Kuryakyn Iso Grips/Throttleboss/Bar End Mirror, Custom Covered Seat
                              Shinko 712s, HID Headlight, RC Performance Exhaust
                              Bikemaster Daytona Handlebars, Galfer SS Brake Lines
                              Barnett HD Clutch Springs, T.C. Spin On Filter Adapter
                              K+N Air Filter

                              88 Voyager XII
                              81 XJ650 Maxim

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                              • BA80
                                Doctor of XSology
                                • Oct 2010
                                • 9980
                                • Tulsa, Ok

                                #30
                                Originally posted by Tat2demon
                                I thought those numbers were a bit high too but its a cheap $28 gauge.
                                Yeah, That's not the issue. It gives you an idea what's going on though. Your not testing the guage.

                                120 -130 is about normal.
                                Greg

                                Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”

                                ― Albert Einstein

                                80 SG Ol' Okie;79 engine & carbs w/pods, 45 pilots, 140 mains, Custom Mac 4 into 2 exhaust, ACCT,XS850 final drive,110/90/19 front tire,TKat fork brace, XS750 140 MPH speedometer, Vetter IV fairing, aftermarket hard bags and trunk, LG high back seat, XJ rear shocks.

                                The list changes.

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