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  • XS1100_OEM4ME
    XS-XJ Guru
    • Mar 2009
    • 1619
    • Fort Myers, Florida

    #1

    Carbs d@#m pos!!

    !st OK, I hate to ask this kind of question again, but can someone put a Voodoo hex on a mans carbs Just ran the bike for a min. Went to take the K&N filter out to clean it and about two TBL spoons of gas in the airbox and 1/2 qt high on oil / and now gas mix in case again A run down of the carbs, OEM 79SF, rebuilt 5 times in the last 6 months, new 920 tiped float needles, new float needle to carb body housing gaskets and tested for leaks. Brass floats, no dents, all hot water tested, no bubbles, all set with a micrometer and stop / open tang set to min. movement, all burrs sanded on float pillers and shafts pollished with no binding, octy in place and tested, carbs bench tested for leaks and none, zero, nadaa, prim caped at pectcock, petcocks completly rebuilt with new kits turned to OFF as soon as bike is shut off every time, new inline filters, Fuel cap vent R/I, cleaned, working fine. Over 40 years experance rebuilding carbs on everything from small motors to motorcycles to drag race cars, even the notorious Pontiac Tri power carbs, hundreds of carb rebuilds and NEVER had a single one not work perfect after I rebuilt it TILL NOW!!!!!!!! WHAT THE HELL
    1979 XS1100 Special (Mad Max, OEM) Current
    1980 XS1100 Special
    1990 V Max
    1982 KZ750 LTD Twin
    1986 700 FZR Yamaha Fazer (faster then expected)
    1979 XS750 Special (my 1st Special)
    1974 CB750-Four



    Past/pres Car's
    1961 Catalina 389/1970 Torino GT 351/1967GTO 12to1 comp./ Roller cam/ T-10/ 456 gear/Tri-power/1967 GTO 400, 1969 Camaro, 1968 Z28, 2001 BMW M Roadster 0 to 60 in 4.5 sec. Jaguar XK8
  • bikerphil
    Master of XSology
    • Jan 2008
    • 8629
    • South Flori-DUH

    #2
    I thought the octy is supposed to stop fuel overflow, unless you left it on prime. Maybe some crap got past the fuel filter?
    Last edited by bikerphil; 01-15-2012, 05:57 PM.
    2H7 (79) owned since '89
    3H3 owned since '06

    "If it ain't broke, modify it"

    โ˜ฎ

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    • jetmechmarty
      Master of XSology
      • Nov 2003
      • 7763
      • Coldwater, Mississippi

      #3
      I had a float sticking on the float pin. I had them apart 20 times too. I hope they're all fixed now.
      Marty (in Mississippi)
      XS1100SG
      XS650SK
      XS650SH
      XS650G
      XS6502F
      XS650E

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      • XS1100_OEM4ME
        XS-XJ Guru
        • Mar 2009
        • 1619
        • Fort Myers, Florida

        #4
        Prim

        Prim is blocked off and the octy is working, tested it after rebuild, and checked it again latly That is why I am so dammed Got to be leaking while running or just after from residual fuel in lines as I shut the petcocks off as soon as I shut the bike off everytime

        Originally posted by bikerphil
        I thought the octy is supposed to stop fuel overflow, unless you left it on prime. Maybe some crap got past the fuel filter?
        1979 XS1100 Special (Mad Max, OEM) Current
        1980 XS1100 Special
        1990 V Max
        1982 KZ750 LTD Twin
        1986 700 FZR Yamaha Fazer (faster then expected)
        1979 XS750 Special (my 1st Special)
        1974 CB750-Four



        Past/pres Car's
        1961 Catalina 389/1970 Torino GT 351/1967GTO 12to1 comp./ Roller cam/ T-10/ 456 gear/Tri-power/1967 GTO 400, 1969 Camaro, 1968 Z28, 2001 BMW M Roadster 0 to 60 in 4.5 sec. Jaguar XK8

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        • XS1100_OEM4ME
          XS-XJ Guru
          • Mar 2009
          • 1619
          • Fort Myers, Florida

          #5
          Pollished

          I pollished all the float shafts till totaly smooth and de-burred the mounting towers as well as contact points on the floats that contact the mounting towers All move totaly freely

          Originally posted by jetmechmarty
          I had a float sticking on the float pin. I had them apart 20 times too. I hope they're all fixed now.
          1979 XS1100 Special (Mad Max, OEM) Current
          1980 XS1100 Special
          1990 V Max
          1982 KZ750 LTD Twin
          1986 700 FZR Yamaha Fazer (faster then expected)
          1979 XS750 Special (my 1st Special)
          1974 CB750-Four



          Past/pres Car's
          1961 Catalina 389/1970 Torino GT 351/1967GTO 12to1 comp./ Roller cam/ T-10/ 456 gear/Tri-power/1967 GTO 400, 1969 Camaro, 1968 Z28, 2001 BMW M Roadster 0 to 60 in 4.5 sec. Jaguar XK8

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          • crazy steve
            XS-XJ Guru MODERATOR
            • Jan 2009
            • 7932
            • Beautiful outer Yelm, WA

            #6
            Trim your float bowl gaskets? The aftermarket ones have been known to cause this....
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            '78E original owner - resto project
            '78E ???? owner - Modder project FJ forks, 4-piston calipers F/R, 160/80-16 rear tire
            '82 XJ rebuild project
            '80SG restified, red SOLD
            '79F parts...
            '81H more parts...

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            '93 XL1200 Anniversary Sportster 85RWHP
            '86 XL883/1200 Chopper
            '82 XL1000 w/1450cc Buell, Baker 6-speed, in-progress project
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            Yep, can't leave nuthin' alone...

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            • Rasputin
              XS-XJ Super Guru
              • Apr 2008
              • 3179
              • Lacombe, Alberta, Canada

              #7
              How did you block off the prime? You say the Octy is working perfectly but the prime is blocked off? How did you do that? How would you know that the Octy is working if it is blocked off? Yes residual fuel can do the deed but, NOT if it is half quart over full as you say. Something is missing in this puzzle.
              2-79 XS1100 SF
              2-78 XS1100 E Best bike Ever
              80 XS 1100 SG Big bore kit but not fully running yet.
              Couple of more parts bikes of which 2 more will live!

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              • DGXSER
                Doctor of XSology(Deceased)
                • Nov 2008
                • 12001
                • Cincinnati, Ohio

                #8
                Sounds like you do have one that is not floating correctly or properly shutting off the fuel. If you turned the petcocks off, and the octy is in place, and both are workign then fuel would be very hard pressed to make it to the carbs in any quantity.

                I would pull the carbs and check those floats to see if there is any fuel in them, water test is not the end all 100% certain test.

                Another option, possibility as stated is crap making it past your fuel filter. Especially if you let the tank get low and went to Reserve.

                I do know the feeling and it is a PITA. I have a set of 78-79 carbs right now that no matter what I do one seems to seep fuel around the bowl gasket. Driving me nuts. I just let them sit a while till I am no longer frustrated.
                Life is what happens while your planning everything else!

                When your work speaks for itself, don't interrupt.

                81 XS1100 Special - Humpty Dumpty
                80 XS1100 Special - Project Resurrection


                Previously owned
                93 GSX600F
                80 XS1100 Special - Ruby
                81 XS1100 Special
                81 CB750 C
                80 CB750 C
                78 XS750

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                • XS1100_OEM4ME
                  XS-XJ Guru
                  • Mar 2009
                  • 1619
                  • Fort Myers, Florida

                  #9
                  Petcocks

                  I have capped the prim nippels at both petcocks and rerouted the lines to go from the on/ res/ off nipples to two inline filters then to the carbs, removeing the prime lines altogather. I bench tested the octy when I rebuilt it by attaching a fuel sorce, then sucking on the vac line, fuel flowed, stopped sucking fuel stopped flowing, did the same thing on the bike attached to the tank with out lines into a can, worked fine and vac line is hooked to the intake manafold now
                  Originally posted by Rasputin
                  How did you block off the prime? You say the Octy is working perfectly but the prime is blocked off? How did you do that? How would you know that the Octy is working if it is blocked off? Yes residual fuel can do the deed but, NOT if it is half quart over full as you say. Something is missing in this puzzle.
                  1979 XS1100 Special (Mad Max, OEM) Current
                  1980 XS1100 Special
                  1990 V Max
                  1982 KZ750 LTD Twin
                  1986 700 FZR Yamaha Fazer (faster then expected)
                  1979 XS750 Special (my 1st Special)
                  1974 CB750-Four



                  Past/pres Car's
                  1961 Catalina 389/1970 Torino GT 351/1967GTO 12to1 comp./ Roller cam/ T-10/ 456 gear/Tri-power/1967 GTO 400, 1969 Camaro, 1968 Z28, 2001 BMW M Roadster 0 to 60 in 4.5 sec. Jaguar XK8

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                  • XS1100_OEM4ME
                    XS-XJ Guru
                    • Mar 2009
                    • 1619
                    • Fort Myers, Florida

                    #10
                    Trim

                    I trimed all 4 gaskets on all 8 sides in the bowles and cheakes for clearance of all 4 floats before assembly, about a popsickel stick thickness of clearance on all 16 sides of floats (insides and outsides of each)
                    Originally posted by crazy steve
                    Trim your float bowl gaskets? The aftermarket ones have been known to cause this....
                    1979 XS1100 Special (Mad Max, OEM) Current
                    1980 XS1100 Special
                    1990 V Max
                    1982 KZ750 LTD Twin
                    1986 700 FZR Yamaha Fazer (faster then expected)
                    1979 XS750 Special (my 1st Special)
                    1974 CB750-Four



                    Past/pres Car's
                    1961 Catalina 389/1970 Torino GT 351/1967GTO 12to1 comp./ Roller cam/ T-10/ 456 gear/Tri-power/1967 GTO 400, 1969 Camaro, 1968 Z28, 2001 BMW M Roadster 0 to 60 in 4.5 sec. Jaguar XK8

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                    • bikerphil
                      Master of XSology
                      • Jan 2008
                      • 8629
                      • South Flori-DUH

                      #11
                      Originally posted by XS1100_OEM4ME
                      I have capped the prim nippels at both petcocks and rerouted the lines to go from the on/ res/ off nipples to two inline filters then to the carbs
                      If the lines go from the taps to the filters, then to the carbs, how is the octy supposed to work?
                      2H7 (79) owned since '89
                      3H3 owned since '06

                      "If it ain't broke, modify it"

                      โ˜ฎ

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                      • Rasputin
                        XS-XJ Super Guru
                        • Apr 2008
                        • 3179
                        • Lacombe, Alberta, Canada

                        #12
                        I guess i am wondering why you still have the Octy in that case? No need for it at all in that configuration. At the risk of sounding really stupid are you sure you capped the prime and not the other?
                        2-79 XS1100 SF
                        2-78 XS1100 E Best bike Ever
                        80 XS 1100 SG Big bore kit but not fully running yet.
                        Couple of more parts bikes of which 2 more will live!

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                        • XS1100_OEM4ME
                          XS-XJ Guru
                          • Mar 2009
                          • 1619
                          • Fort Myers, Florida

                          #13
                          Sorry, 2 lines from petcocks to octy IN's, 2 lines from octy OUT's, to two inline filter IN's, 2 lines from filter out to carb IN's, one vac line from octy vac port to one intake manafold vac port
                          Originally posted by bikerphil
                          If the lines go from the taps to the filters, then to the carbs, how is the octy supposed to work?
                          1979 XS1100 Special (Mad Max, OEM) Current
                          1980 XS1100 Special
                          1990 V Max
                          1982 KZ750 LTD Twin
                          1986 700 FZR Yamaha Fazer (faster then expected)
                          1979 XS750 Special (my 1st Special)
                          1974 CB750-Four



                          Past/pres Car's
                          1961 Catalina 389/1970 Torino GT 351/1967GTO 12to1 comp./ Roller cam/ T-10/ 456 gear/Tri-power/1967 GTO 400, 1969 Camaro, 1968 Z28, 2001 BMW M Roadster 0 to 60 in 4.5 sec. Jaguar XK8

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                          • Rasputin
                            XS-XJ Super Guru
                            • Apr 2008
                            • 3179
                            • Lacombe, Alberta, Canada

                            #14
                            Are the other Octy ports blinded?
                            2-79 XS1100 SF
                            2-78 XS1100 E Best bike Ever
                            80 XS 1100 SG Big bore kit but not fully running yet.
                            Couple of more parts bikes of which 2 more will live!

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                            • XS1100_OEM4ME
                              XS-XJ Guru
                              • Mar 2009
                              • 1619
                              • Fort Myers, Florida

                              #15
                              The petcocks are on the correct L/R sides and everything is OEM, I capped the front nipples on both after putting fuel in the tank and turring to prime, and that was the nipples the gas came out of.
                              Originally posted by Rasputin
                              I guess i am wondering why you still have the Octy in that case? No need for it at all in that configuration. At the risk of sounding really stupid are you sure you capped the prime and not the other?
                              1979 XS1100 Special (Mad Max, OEM) Current
                              1980 XS1100 Special
                              1990 V Max
                              1982 KZ750 LTD Twin
                              1986 700 FZR Yamaha Fazer (faster then expected)
                              1979 XS750 Special (my 1st Special)
                              1974 CB750-Four



                              Past/pres Car's
                              1961 Catalina 389/1970 Torino GT 351/1967GTO 12to1 comp./ Roller cam/ T-10/ 456 gear/Tri-power/1967 GTO 400, 1969 Camaro, 1968 Z28, 2001 BMW M Roadster 0 to 60 in 4.5 sec. Jaguar XK8

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