I previously stated that I had bought a spare cylinder block from Andreas for use as a proto-type to determine how big a bore the XS block would accomodate and still be streetable. I have removed the stock sleeves and the bare block is on the way to Advanced sleeves in Ohio for machining and installation of 3.275 O.D. sleeves that will accomodate 78 mm pistons which will fetch 1311cc's. This bore size will still leave a wall thickness of .102 which is ample for a street bike. With this sleeve you could go to a 79 mm bore but that would leave the sleeves at only .0825 thick, too thin for me. You could (might) go to the next larger sleeve which has an O.D. of 3.42 however with that one you would be unable to use the stock "O" rings at the bottom of the sleeves which could cause an oil control problem in a street bike. The 3.42 sleeve would also require a case clean up which requires disassembly of the bottom end and I don't want to go through that again, at least not now. In a drag race only application the 3.42 sleeve would work but for a street bike it would ultimately seep/weep oil. For my application, the 3.275 O.D. sleeve will work out nicely. Last winter as some of you know I put a Wiseco 1179 kit in my Special and wish now I had gone the after market sleeve route but at time I had been told that the XS block would not accomodate larger replacement sleeves however that information was bogus. I had also been told by Yamaha tech in California and by the Yamaha dealer in St. Louis that the stock sleeves could only be removed by boring them out but that was also bogus as 45 minutes in an oven @ 450 degrees was all it took for them to slide out on their own just like my old FJ. Of course a 78 mm bore requires custom pistons and a one off head gasket but Wiseco, J&E and some others will make anything you want. I'm actually more than a little surprised that the stock XS block will accomodate these larger sleeves because of all the misinformation I have gotten regarding this modification however I shouldn't be as the XS was over engineered form the git go. The most diffulcult part of this whole deal will be making myself a base gasket but then again I might be able to trim up a stock one to make it fit, I can only hope. Thirteen hundred and eleven cc's, sounds good to me.
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I previously stated that I had bought a spare cylinder block from Andreas for use as a proto-type to determine how big a bore the XS block would accomodate and still be streetable. I have removed the stock sleeves and the bare block is on the way to Advanced sleeves in Ohio for machining and installation of 3.275 O.D. sleeves that will accomodate 78 mm pistons which will fetch 1311cc's. This bore size will still leave a wall thickness of .102 which is ample for a street bike. With this sleeve you could go to a 79 mm bore but that would leave the sleeves at only .0825 thick, too thin for me. You could (might) go to the next larger sleeve which has an O.D. of 3.42 however with that one you would be unable to use the stock "O" rings at the bottom of the sleeves which could cause an oil control problem in a street bike. The 3.42 sleeve would also require a case clean up which requires disassembly of the bottom end and I don't want to go through that again, at least not now. In a drag race only application the 3.42 sleeve would work but for a street bike it would ultimately seep/weep oil. For my application, the 3.275 O.D. sleeve will work out nicely. Last winter as some of you know I put a Wiseco 1179 kit in my Special and wish now I had gone the after market sleeve route but at time I had been told that the XS block would not accomodate larger replacement sleeves however that information was bogus. I had also been told by Yamaha tech in California and by the Yamaha dealer in St. Louis that the stock sleeves could only be removed by boring them out but that was also bogus as 45 minutes in an oven @ 450 degrees was all it took for them to slide out on their own just like my old FJ. Of course a 78 mm bore requires custom pistons and a one off head gasket but Wiseco, J&E and some others will make anything you want. I'm actually more than a little surprised that the stock XS block will accomodate these larger sleeves because of all the misinformation I have gotten regarding this modification however I shouldn't be as the XS was over engineered form the git go. The most diffulcult part of this whole deal will be making myself a base gasket but then again I might be able to trim up a stock one to make it fit, I can only hope. Thirteen hundred and eleven cc's, sounds good to me.81 Black "1179" Xcessively trick Super Special. One owner (me).Tags: None
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Hey Dan,
If this is going into your recent 1179 engine, I'm sure there are some folks on here that would be willing to take your 1179 kit parts off your hands. And folks can get the required head gasket and new rings from Cometic/Wiseco as needed. You would be the one to tell whether it's okay to use the wrist pins that come with the kit vs. getting new ones?? Looking forward to seeing the finalized project, and a list of any other mods added to this, like cams and such!?
T.C.T. C. Gresham
81SH "Godzilla" . . .1179cc super-rat.
79SF "The Teacher" . . .basket case!
History shows again and again,
How nature points out the folly of men!
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Base gaskets are easy... I make mine all the time. The only one I don't make is the head gasket for obvious reasons. Just remember that the little thin metal strip that you see there on the bottom in the cam chain galley doesn't have to be incorporated into the gasket. Just cut out the gasket like it's not even there.
I too found out that the sleeves will come right out... it's just that I hadn't wanted them to! lol. I was trying to bake some high temp paint on my cylinders. I set them down in the oven resting on the bottom of the sleeves. After a while I heard a CRASH!! and went and saw all the sleeves had popped out and the block was laying on the oven grill.
TodLast edited by trbig; 01-12-2008, 03:29 PM.Try your hardest to be the kind of person your dog thinks you are.
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'06 Suzuki DR650
*'82 XJ1100 with the 1179 kit. "Mad Maxim"
'82 XJ1100 Completely stock fixer-upper
'82 XJ1100 Bagger fixer-upper
'82 XJ1100 Motor/frame and lots of boxes of parts
'82 XJ1100 Parts bike
'81 XS1100 Special
'81 YZ250
'80 XS850 Special
'80 XR100
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Cost
Originally posted by 81xsproject
Another thing I would like to know is how much it costs to get the custom sleeves and pistons.81 Black "1179" Xcessively trick Super Special. One owner (me).
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Gaskets
Originally posted by trbig
Base gaskets are easy... I make mine all the time. The only one I don't make is the head gasket for obvious reasons. Just remember that the little thin metal strip that you see there on the bottom in the cam chain galley doesn't have to be incorporated into the gasket. Just cut out the gasket like it's not even there.
I too found out that the sleeves will come right out... it's just that I hadn't wanted them to! lol. I was trying to bake some high temp paint on my cylinders. I set them down in the oven resting on the bottom of the sleeves. After a while I heard a CRASH!! and went and saw all the sleeves had popped out and the block was laying on the oven grill.
Tod81 Black "1179" Xcessively trick Super Special. One owner (me).
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Too Much Time On My Hands
Originally posted by TopCatGr58
Hey Dan,
If this is going into your recent 1179 engine, I'm sure there are some folks on here that would be willing to take your 1179 kit parts off your hands. And folks can get the required head gasket and new rings from Cometic/Wiseco as needed. You would be the one to tell whether it's okay to use the wrist pins that come with the kit vs. getting new ones?? Looking forward to seeing the finalized project, and a list of any other mods added to this, like cams and such!?
T.C.
81 Black "1179" Xcessively trick Super Special. One owner (me).
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Dan,
If you have not gotten all your parts assembled yet, how about a picture of everything laid out and ready for assembly.Mike Giroir
79 XS-1100 Special
Once you un-can a can of worms, the only way to re-can them is with a bigger can.
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Increased Compression?
Dan, something I thought of last night. If the displacement is goiing up to 1311 and it is all done in the cylinders, will this not raise the compression ratio up in the neighborhood of 11:1? Or, are you compensating for some of this with your piston/deck height?
What other things must you do to take advantage of the increased compression?Mike Giroir
79 XS-1100 Special
Once you un-can a can of worms, the only way to re-can them is with a bigger can.
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