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  • bikerphil
    Master of XSology
    • Jan 2008
    • 8633
    • South Flori-DUH

    #256
    I would recommend using a gasket, this kit has the cam end plugs you will also need...

    2H7 (79) owned since '89
    3H3 owned since '06

    "If it ain't broke, modify it"

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    • puskrat
      XStremely XSive
      • Jun 2015
      • 312
      • Peoria IL

      #257
      Originally posted by 3Phase
      You shouldn't mess up any bolts unless someone went crazy on them
      I'm the guy with the locked up oil filter bolt.
      "Venturered" 80 XS1100G - "DoraMax" getting sort of resto/destro ed.

      Yeah it's a pretty blue, but just because you're old is no excuse to buy a bagger. Fortunately I have wrenches.

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      • puskrat
        XStremely XSive
        • Jun 2015
        • 312
        • Peoria IL

        #258
        Originally posted by bikerphil
        I would recommend using a gasket, this kit has the cam end plugs you will also need...

        http://www.ebay.com/itm/YAMAHA-1978-...NS4vs~&vxp=mtr
        Aww, Phil. I was just about to buy a roll of gasket and start razoring.

        Seriously, thanks.
        "Venturered" 80 XS1100G - "DoraMax" getting sort of resto/destro ed.

        Yeah it's a pretty blue, but just because you're old is no excuse to buy a bagger. Fortunately I have wrenches.

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        • bikerphil
          Master of XSology
          • Jan 2008
          • 8633
          • South Flori-DUH

          #259
          Yep, I find that if you are using RTV sealer instead of a gasket, you need to be 100% perfect installing the cover or you risk having a leak. There is not much room with the engine in the frame to finagle the cover in place. Use RTV on the half moon cam plugs though.
          2H7 (79) owned since '89
          3H3 owned since '06

          "If it ain't broke, modify it"

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          • motoman
            Master of XSology
            • Aug 2005
            • 8413
            • Grand Junction, Colorado

            #260
            The half-moon cam plugs I highly recommend using Hi-Temp Grey silicone sealer, not just any ole' RTV.
            81H Venturer1100 "The Bentley" (on steroids) 97 Yamaha YZ250(age reducer) 92 Honda ST1100 "Twisty"(touring rocket) Age is relative to the number of seconds counted 'airing' out an 85ft. table-top.

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            • 3Phase
              XS-XJ Super Guru
              • May 2008
              • 5529
              • Simi Valley, CA

              #261
              Originally posted by bikerphil
              I would recommend using a gasket, this kit has the cam end plugs you will also need...
              The gasket looks a little ragged but at least comes with four cam plugs for your twenty bucks so there're a couple of spares.

              Originally posted by puskrat
              I'm the guy with the locked up oil filter bolt.
              Right. If they are that tight and they do get mangled but you get them out without ripping out the aluminum threads, get some new bolts. Here's a good looking set from a Midnight Special and it has the throttle cable bracket too for about $9 plus $6 for Expedited shipping:-


              If the bolts are overtightened, the aluminum will start to lift up around the holes where the bolt threads started to pull out of the head. That makes little raised spots that'll cut into the gasket when it's tightened or just keep the cover from sitting flush on the head.

              Before you put the valve cover back on, use a hammer with some round stock to carefully knock the aluminum back down around the bolt holes, then use a tap (best) or one of the bolts to clean up the threads.

              Originally posted by puskrat
              Aww, Phil. I was just about to buy a roll of gasket and start razoring.

              Seriously, thanks.
              Heh, razors are dangerous, man, and the valve cover gasket is skinny and it's easy to tear it up. Use a good pair of sharp scissors like cuticle scissors and stay away from the ones in the wife's sewing kit.

              For sealing the cam plugs, use Yamabond 4 or ThreeBond 1194.
              -- Scott
              _____

              2004 ST1300A: No name... yet
              1982 XJ1100J: "Baby" SS Brakes, '850 FD, ACCT
              1980 XS1100G: "Columbo" SS Brakes, '850 FD, ACCT
              1979 XS1100SF: "Bush" W.I.P.
              1979 XS1100F: parts
              2018 Heritage Softail Classic 117 FLHCS SE: "Nanuk" It's DEAD, it's not just resting. It is an EX cycle.

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              • puskrat
                XStremely XSive
                • Jun 2015
                • 312
                • Peoria IL

                #262
                Originally posted by 3Phase
                The gasket looks a little ragged but at least comes with four cam plugs for your twenty bucks so there're a couple of spares.



                Right. If they are that tight and they do get mangled but you get them out without ripping out the aluminum threads, get some new bolts. Here's a good looking set from a Midnight Special and it has the throttle cable bracket too for about $9 plus $6 for Expedited shipping:-


                If the bolts are overtightened, the aluminum will start to lift up around the holes where the bolt threads started to pull out of the head. That makes little raised spots that'll cut into the gasket when it's tightened or just keep the cover from sitting flush on the head.

                Before you put the valve cover back on, use a hammer with some round stock to carefully knock the aluminum back down around the bolt holes, then use a tap (best) or one of the bolts to clean up the threads.



                Heh, razors are dangerous, man, and the valve cover gasket is skinny and it's easy to tear it up. Use a good pair of sharp scissors like cuticle scissors and stay away from the ones in the wife's sewing kit.

                For sealing the cam plugs, use Yamabond 4 or ThreeBond 1194.
                The sewing kit gave up its snips To my fly tying bag years ago.
                "Venturered" 80 XS1100G - "DoraMax" getting sort of resto/destro ed.

                Yeah it's a pretty blue, but just because you're old is no excuse to buy a bagger. Fortunately I have wrenches.

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                • puskrat
                  XStremely XSive
                  • Jun 2015
                  • 312
                  • Peoria IL

                  #263
                  While I'm waiting for my gasket et al, I need to score the valve adjusting tool. What should I choose?
                  "Venturered" 80 XS1100G - "DoraMax" getting sort of resto/destro ed.

                  Yeah it's a pretty blue, but just because you're old is no excuse to buy a bagger. Fortunately I have wrenches.

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                  • motoman
                    Master of XSology
                    • Aug 2005
                    • 8413
                    • Grand Junction, Colorado

                    #264
                    I would recommend the tool from Yamaha. The MotionPro tool has to be ground in several places in order to work as smooth as the Yamaha tool.
                    81H Venturer1100 "The Bentley" (on steroids) 97 Yamaha YZ250(age reducer) 92 Honda ST1100 "Twisty"(touring rocket) Age is relative to the number of seconds counted 'airing' out an 85ft. table-top.

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                    • bikerphil
                      Master of XSology
                      • Jan 2008
                      • 8633
                      • South Flori-DUH

                      #265
                      The Motion Pro tool may need some grinding....



                      2H7 (79) owned since '89
                      3H3 owned since '06

                      "If it ain't broke, modify it"

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                      • dbbrian
                        XSive Maximus
                        • May 2016
                        • 596
                        • Stratford, Ontario, Canada

                        #266
                        Uh-oh

                        Thats the one I bought to use next Saturday
                        '78 XS1100E (the newest bike I've ever owned)
                        '74 CB350F1 (under restoration)
                        '72 RT2 MX360 (gone but not forgotten)

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                        • bikerphil
                          Master of XSology
                          • Jan 2008
                          • 8633
                          • South Flori-DUH

                          #267
                          Didn't take more than 10 minutes to modify, hopefully yours won't need it. The holes may need some enlarging also.
                          2H7 (79) owned since '89
                          3H3 owned since '06

                          "If it ain't broke, modify it"

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                          • puskrat
                            XStremely XSive
                            • Jun 2015
                            • 312
                            • Peoria IL

                            #268
                            How in the world do you know when it's right?
                            "Venturered" 80 XS1100G - "DoraMax" getting sort of resto/destro ed.

                            Yeah it's a pretty blue, but just because you're old is no excuse to buy a bagger. Fortunately I have wrenches.

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                            • 3Phase
                              XS-XJ Super Guru
                              • May 2008
                              • 5529
                              • Simi Valley, CA

                              #269
                              It may take some work to fit a Motion Pro tool but some of them drop right in and you don't have to goof with them. You'll know it's right when the tool doesn't touch the cam when you try to bolt it to the head.

                              The Yamaha tool just works but it's also just seriously expensive.

                              The crankshaft has to be rotated clockwise and counterclockwise to use the tool so the bike has to be on the center stand or whatever you need to do to get it upright and level, then set the cam chain tensioner before tackling the valves.
                              If the cam chain has too much slack then the engine can jump time when you turn the crankshaft backward/counterclockwise. Assuming you don't lunch a valve, it still defeats the whole entire purpose of using the tool because you have to pull the cams to reset the timing.
                              -- Scott
                              _____

                              2004 ST1300A: No name... yet
                              1982 XJ1100J: "Baby" SS Brakes, '850 FD, ACCT
                              1980 XS1100G: "Columbo" SS Brakes, '850 FD, ACCT
                              1979 XS1100SF: "Bush" W.I.P.
                              1979 XS1100F: parts
                              2018 Heritage Softail Classic 117 FLHCS SE: "Nanuk" It's DEAD, it's not just resting. It is an EX cycle.

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                              • puskrat
                                XStremely XSive
                                • Jun 2015
                                • 312
                                • Peoria IL

                                #270
                                Seriously? I have to do the cam chain tensioner before the valves?

                                My frustation level.
                                "Venturered" 80 XS1100G - "DoraMax" getting sort of resto/destro ed.

                                Yeah it's a pretty blue, but just because you're old is no excuse to buy a bagger. Fortunately I have wrenches.

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