Have you heard about Ron Paul?

[prometheus578]

"Oh oh.. he's playing the "Hitler Card...

... I might as well concede defeat now."

Sorry, but I'm not afraid of bogey-men, nor do I run from battle.
Tossing about tired old canards doesn't have the same effect upon me that it has when you do it to cow others.
"If I don't agree with what he says... then that means that I support Hitler... and that's just evil... and nobody will like me."

I used to think you were a logical type...note the past tense "used to".

Sadly, I cannot return the compliment... nor the intended insult.
(as you didn't put a "smiley face" after your comment, I must conclude that that was your intent)
As a student of history, world cultures and religions, I've always been guided by the saying:
"Historians should not debate world affairs with geologists"
Unlike some others...(note the use of the "smiley") I welcome new ideas, facts and opinions.
As the original topic of this thread is different that the direction we're taking it, I invite you to continue our discussion in private, using the PM system.
Please send me whatever info you have to support your claims. I will do my usual diligent research on your sources, conduct counter-research, and reply with a studious assessment or, at the least, a well thought out opinion.
(If your references consist only of sites like the one you linked to previously... then please, do not take up my offer, nor my time)

[MAXIMAN]

Prom

The "proof's in the puddin!" so to speak.

Riddle me this...oh great historian and debater of rockheads.


You said...and I quote

Some day, someone might not like our "immoral culture" and our constant meddling interference in their affairs and send planes on bombing missions over here. WHOOPS... guess I'm a little late on that prediction!

If that is true then why have we suffered no more attacks since 911? BECAUSE...it's for d@mned sure we've been "meddling" (as you so eloquently state) in their affairs much more today (read invasion of Iraq) than we EVER did in the past. So if our "meddling" is the catalyst of their reason for attacking us at HOME then why have we not been attacked AT HOME?

It certainly isn't because we've sealed our borders. Because thanks to an impotent federal government our borders are about as secure as a screen door on a submarine as evidenced bythe "invasion" from the south.

???

I wait with baited breath for your omniscient answer.

BTW: It's not rockheads you have to watch out for. Just people with common sense.

[Winterhawk]

If that is true then why have we suffered no more attacks since 911? BECAUSE...it's for d@mned sure we've been "meddling" (as you so eloquently state) in their affairs much more today

LOL, this is so funny, We were attacked by our own Government in order to institute BU$H's Police State that he and his crime family created for us.

Osama Bin Laden died from kidney failure shortly after 9/11.

No 757 punched a 14 foot hole into the Pentagon. This was a missile and eyewitnesses saw it.

If you look at the pics right after the attack the turbine engines would of bounced off the glass......LOL

Ron Paul is savvy, he knows this as he was on the Alex Jones show last year talking about it. Political suicide now for him to talk about the 9/11 truth movement.

BTW, I have 200 hours in the left seat of a 757 (flight saftey's sim) and this jet will not make an 180 degree turn at 10g's flying at 450 mph 50 feet in the air ...LOL
http://www.pilotsfor911truth.org/

The Government thinks we are idiots.

[erithanis]

THIS THREAD IS DEAD

I do believe this thread has officially met the requirements of Godwin's Law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin_...ries_and_usage).

MAXIMAN - you lose! ;-)

[MAXIMAN]

Winterhawk...

Put the joint down and slowly back away from the bong!


Seriously....if it's that bad...why don't you start a revolution...just go gather up a bunch of your kook friends and go over throw government.

Well....whadaya waiting for Hawk?

REI - Well...ya got me there. But at least I now know how to kill a thread. Just use the word Nazi. It's for damned sure the left uses it constantly when refering to the right.

But thanks to Mr. Goldberg the term isn't just for conservatives any more

"Liberal Fascism" by Jonah Goldberg

That oughta give ya something to squeal about. (roflmao)

[Winterhawk]

Actually our Constitution gives us the right to overthrow an out of control Government.

We have a Revolution. It's called the Ron Paul Revolution.

Meanwhile the senseless slaughter of innocent civilian and Military members lives are going on based all on lies for no bid contracts.

Saddam's palaces are full of top executives from KBR, Halliburton and Carlyle group. They have swimming pools, servants and are living it up at the expenses of our men, women and children in the military.

Tune into Alex Jones today live at www.infowars.com.

Remember if you disagree you will be put to the front of the caller list so he can talk some sense into the non believer's.

Ron Paul is a regular guest on the Alex Jones show at least once a month.
Listen live now from 11:00am CDT ~ 2:00pm CDT.
http://www.nfowars.net:443/stream1.pls

[Bud Manley]

Re: THIS THREAD IS DEAD

Originally posted by erithanis
I do believe this thread has officially met the requirements of Godwin's Law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin_...ries_and_usage).

MAXIMAN - you lose! ;-)

Godwin's law applies especially to inappropriate, inordinate, or hyperbolic comparisons of other situations (or one's opponent) with Hitler or Nazis or their actions. It does not apply to discussions directly addressing genocide, propaganda, or other mainstays of the Nazi regime.

RULING 1A:
Maximan did not in fact compare Prom to Hitler or mention that he was using Hitler like tactics. (Winterhawk comes closest to that but has thus not breached the plain)
Furthermore I find that the American tactic of ignoring a problem before the time leading to WW2 does not specifically relate to a tactic of Hitler.
Please continue.

[Bud Manley]

Special side note to Winterhawk.
I actually went that website and immediately I came up with a great idea. I'll start my own mailing list with the truth spelled out in every letter.
For the special discount price of 39.95/month I'll add you to the list of "insiders" you'll get exclusive content on all the many issues and perspectives I have to offer. Moreover I can promise you exclusive access to commentary and promotions that can only be accessed by a Chosen Few.

[MAXIMAN]

But Hawk...in your world of paranoia...what would stop Dr. paul froom morphing into the same thing the omnipotent and evil Satan Bush has?

LOL, this is so funny, We were attacked by our own Government in order to institute BU$H's Police State that he and his crime family created for us.

But I can agree with you on one point. The some of the American people are indeed idiots. And IF you actually believe Bush orchestrated 911............

Then you're the KING OF THEM!


Besides I thought you said Ron Paul didn;t subcribe to this notion?

PS: Please please tell us you aren't flying anymore.

[erithanis]

No, there are plenty of other examples of ignoring a belligerent leader that could have been chosen. There is only a thin link between Hitler and the Jihad radicals.

The problem with using the Hitler reference is that it carries such strong and ingrained emotional baggage that in almost every instance it is inappropriate for the discussion.

[Bud Manley]

[i]

Besides I thought you said Ron Paul didn;t subcribe to this notion? [/B]

Winterhawk clearly believes RuPaul does T3rmin believes he does not.

In the debate when asked about the 911tards Paul said" I don't believe that"-"I can't tell others what to believe but if they cared about my campaign they wouldn't say things like that."

I have to agree with Paul on this. Its not his place to tell them what to believe. OTOH, He wants there money but not necessarily their ideas.
I wonder if the KKK was a large supporter he would say the same thing? I would hope so. That would be a better test of character.
I can appreciate a supporter of free speech for both good and bad.

[MAXIMAN]

Originally posted by Winterhawk
Meanwhile the senseless slaughter of innocent civilian and Military members lives are going on based all on lies for no bid contracts.

Now you've exposed your utter ignorance. The Halliburton paranoia.

One of the largest "no bid" contracts ever awarded to any company was to Halliburton during the Clinton Admistration.... But that is NOT problem for a sane mind.

There is a reason Halliburton gets these contracts. NO ONE ELSE can cut the mustard.

But then you are one of those deluded types that has absolutely no idea of what Halliburton really is. And there is no need in trying to enlighten your deluded (or is it polluted) mind.

Oh boy...I can't wait for your idiotic response to this one.

[MAXIMAN]

Thanks for clarifying Bud. I'm getting my idiots mixed up in this debate.

[Bud Manley]

Originally posted by erithanis
No, there are plenty of other examples of ignoring a belligerent leader that could have been chosen. There is only a thin link between Hitler and the Jihad radicals.

The problem with using the Hitler reference is that it carries such strong and ingrained emotional baggage that in almost every instance it is inappropriate for the discussion.

Ahah but! He did not reference Hitler or a Hitlerian tactic. Only the conditions that led to WW2. In this case there is no other example of American attitude before a major war that would be relevent.
I believe that Maximans premise that ignoring the current threat will lead to WW3 to be directly related to Americas past experience with ignoring threats. While the specific circumstances are not the same its the actions of Americas response that is in question.

[erithanis]

RULING 1A:
Maximan did not in fact compare Prom to Hitler or mention that he was using Hitler like tactics. (Winterhawk comes closest to that but has thus not breached the plain)

No, there are plenty of belligerent leaders the U.S. has ignored. Hitler himself was but one part of a VERY LARGE list of things that occured to generate the situation of WW2

Nobody wanted to do a damned thing about Hitler

There is not a strong enough similarity between Hitler and the Jihad radicals to justify comparison. The problem with using the Hitler reference is that it carries such strong and ingrained emotional baggage that in almost every instance it is inappropriate for the discussion. The example incites reactionary response rather than logical reasoning.

:shrug: I'm done, just thought I'd comment on the depths the thread had sunk to...