stuck float pin/ Float pin tool

[GNEPIG]

.. yeah, something like that, like a mini chain breaker. in fact i have a mini chain breaker i had bought for the #35 chains on my pocket bikes, i will have a look at that tool also
.. nice diagram Ken, i knew there was a good reason for that word "Super" in your title

[prometheus578]

"I need a bigger monitor for Christmas!"

Ken, Sorry. My monitor isn't big enough. I saw your photo's, but didn't see what you had written underneath it! I immediately stole your drawings(as mine really blow) and tried to work through this problem. While figuring, I now see that Wet Rock and GNEPIG have added in. I'm gonna post this stuff anyway, right or wrong, just' cause I spent time on it and you know how "self important" I believe I am.
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Again, I believe that the post holes are the same diameter, but the pin is thicker or ridged near the head.

HHmmm... all this talk about "PINHEADS" reminds me... I need to call my brother tomorrow for Christmas!

[Ken Talbot]

Ah, yes, if the other post was stuck, my idea would cause trouble. Maybe it is time to put the micrometer on a few pins and see just what keeps them in place. It makes sense to me now that the pin would be just a bit larger just under the head. If this is reliably the case, a slightly modified design should do it, as long as it supported the post at the head end of the pin - basically a wide 'chain breaker' type of tool. Who's going to whip up the first prototype?

[GNEPIG]

.. how about a support hook on the back side of both of the posts while using the short pressure bolt. if done this way this tool would be model specific unless the supports were made to be adjustable
.. good thinking on everyones part here, this is going to be a good tool

[prometheus578]

"Ma... quit buying crap offa TV!"

Who's going to whip up the first prototype?

I would, Ken, but I'll be busy all day playin' with my new George Foreman "Lean, Mean, Fat Reducing Grilling Machine"! (Good for my cholesterol, and good for a laugh, but good for nothing else) "Did you save the receipt?"

WHOA!!! concept flaw. The extractor would not work for post#2. These are all nice drawings, Ken, but the addition of the pins that I've drawn in omits one important feature. I've forgotten to add the actual float! To use on post #2, the slot in the tool would have to be significantly larger. This means that when used on post#1, the mating surface of the tool that butts against the post may have to be wider... and this wideness may only be accomplished by having the tool lay against the thicker part of the post, not the thinner area where the pin actually is. This could snap off the top part of the post. But then again... if this tool was designed just for post #1(which I believe is the offending area), the tool wouldn't need the larger slot.

It should be obvious to all reading this, that I'd rather sit here typing than go to the kitchen and start cooking Christmas dinner! (the grill stays in it's box) Enjoy the day, everyone!

[mro]

Just out a curiosity.

If you were to cut pin near the center (diagonal cutters?) Wrestle out the float, could put a vise grip on pin and work it out that way??? (or w/pin broken your "press" won't strain other post)
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btw
the shop does not pay for all those great, spiffy and expensive tools in the techs tool box

In my shop, I buy all specialty tools and have bought a lot of standard stuff and given as "bonus" for good workers. Also full timers get full time pay even when no work or go home early.
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George Foreman "Lean, Mean, Fat Reducing Grilling Machine"!
When I receive such interesting gifts (talking fish etc.)
I save these gems for future presents for people I really like
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Merry Christmas all

got to get up to my Dads for dinner this day


mro

[prometheus578]

"I like the free pizza's every other Saturday"

Am already making list for when the new owners take over in Jan.. I see no reason that the mechs need to buy stuff like 10 different sized, cylinder hones. Anything that gets used up with use, like die grinder cutting wheels, etc, should be at shop expense.

[GNEPIG]

.. i checked, the float pivot pins FYI they are aluminum and easy to bend . for the most part the diameter of the pin is .097inch all the way until the last .165inchs from the head of the pin where it starts to taper up to .100inch. the holes in both of the goal posts appear to be the same size.
.. i picked from my pile of crap two sets of the crustiest looking carbs that i own and got busy.. i noticed i had no problem unseating the pin from the posts but the pin was stuck in the float pivot itself. i had the exact same problem on the other 6 floats, there were only 6 more because someone had already broken off a post trying to remove the floats previously, hence the reason they were in the junk pile. on the rest i used lots of WD40 and had to move the pin back and forth and with a little twisting action, they would eventually pull out.
.. i used my trusty hammer punch, a finish nail for an extension(any nail thats smaller in diameter than the pin), lots of wd40, a nifty little pair of channel locks for the twisting action and lots of patience
.. someone could also try filling the float bowls up with wd40 and putting them back on the carbs and letting them sit for a week before trying to remove the pins or if your in a hurry heating the float bowls full of wd40 with a heat gun would help break down the old gasoline/oxidation goo

[prometheus578]

"How many angels can dance on the head of a float pin"?"

Thanks for the measurements, GNEPIG. I figgered it were thicker dere.

[Ken Talbot]

Hey Sid, we need a reality check here. When you broke a post while trying the sidecutter removal technique, which post broke. Was it the post next to the head of the pin, or was it the pin at the supposedly thin end of the pin? Please say it was the post at the head of the pin..

[skids]

Nope. It was the the post that was farthest away from the side cutters.

Originally posted by Ken Talbot
Hey Sid, we need a reality check here. When you broke a post while trying the sidecutter removal technique, which post broke. Was it the post next to the head of the pin, or was it the pin at the supposedly thin end of the pin? Please say it was the post at the head of the pin..

[Ken Talbot]

Rats, I was afraid of that...

[mro]

Question?

Would anything bad happen if the pins were "sloppy" in the post holes.

Wouldn't the bowl keep them from falling out???


mro

[Wet Rock]

You wouldn't want a "sloppy" needle would you?

[mro]

You wouldn't want a "sloppy" needle would you?

Well if a problem shows up, OFF come the carbs agin.

All 4 pins are a little loose. Doesn't seem to be a problem though.
Course have only run bike for a little over an hour since cleaned/repaired carbs.

Got this post about trying to get pins out, missed the one about keeping em in


mro