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  • #16
    So I rewired the bike because there was a lot of patchwork in the harness from the PO and lots of corrosion and I know how hard it is to find all of the little tiny shorts and corroded through wires. I followed the wiring diagram religiously and tried to match all of the colors exactly. All of the wires are run, and I will shrink tube/tape them up as soon as I can guarantee that there aren't any errors.
    I will pull the carbs and shoot a little starter fluid in there to make sure it isn't a fuel delivery problem (I did clean the carbs very thoroughly) and if that doesn't help I will swap the coil leads, and if I still can't get to go, I will look into the timing a bit more.
    The PO did have it running the night I bought it, so I know it isn't completely toast. It has good compression (from what I can tell with the starter motor) I haven't opened up the top end or checked the valves, it's on my to do list though.
    Thanks for the input, I'll try to keep you posted on the progress with videos.
    79 F

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    • #17
      Still having trouble

      Hey guys, I fixed the ignition problem by swapping the orange and grey coil leads.
      I have a new problem, fuel delivery. See the following video, the bike starts up with a quick shot of starter fluid, runs for a bit and then dies.
      http://youtu.be/_9rKTp3NCKw

      On a maybe related note, number one and two carb overflow line is just leaking consistently. I rebuilt the vacuum style petcocks with all new seals and diaphragms, but the drips persist, I can't shot off the petcock either!
      Any insight will be greatly appreciated.
      79 F

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      • #18
        Put your petcocks on PRIME and see if that helps.

        Do you have the vacuum lines hooked up to the petcocks?
        Greg

        Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”

        ― Albert Einstein

        80 SG Ol' Okie;79 engine & carbs w/pods, 45 pilots, 140 mains, Custom Mac 4 into 2 exhaust, ACCT,XS850 final drive,110/90/19 front tire,TKat fork brace, XS750 140 MPH speedometer, Vetter IV fairing, aftermarket hard bags and trunk, LG high back seat, XJ rear shocks.

        The list changes.

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        • #19
          My first guess

          My first guess to the short run time is the small holes in the bottom of the carb bowl are clogged not allowing fuel to get up the brass pick up tube .if you are not getting a good stream of carb cleaner to blast from the small hole in the bottom shooting up the side hole of the bowl the brass tube sits in you need to get them open they can be a pia get a good can of cleaner with the red tube and check if you have not already
          82 XJ1100J
          81 Venturer
          Newly acquired Aches N Pains collection

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Benettard View Post
            On a maybe related note, number one and two carb overflow line is just leaking consistently. I rebuilt the vacuum style petcocks with all new seals and diaphragms, but the drips persist, I can't shot off the petcock either!
            Any insight will be greatly appreciated.
            Hi Benettard,
            those taps have no OFF position, they rely on the auto-off to do it for you.
            I've read that the rebuild kit's diaphragm shut-off thingie is not quite long enough to work right.
            I switched my Standard tank gas taps to manual by swapping the right and left levers into the opposite tap bodies.
            The carb float needles should regulate the gas level regardless but what I found on mine was if the carbs were completely drained (as in, I ran it out of gas) the floats dropped down far enough that the needles locked open.
            Fred Hill, S'toon
            XS11SG with Spirit of America sidecar
            "The Flying Pumpkin"

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            • #21
              A video is worth a thousand words. If the bike has been siting a long time, the enrichment circuit is probably clogged.

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yBwrcqwArA
              82 XJ1100 - sold
              96 Honda Magna 750 - Girlfriend's bike
              2000 ZRX1100 - sold
              2003 FJR1300 - Silver rocket

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              • #22
                Another thing

                While I am checking the carb bowls and brass tube, here is another question. With the air filters off, when it was running I could like see bursts of air coming out of the intake side of carb #4. Is that a problem?
                79 F

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Benettard View Post
                  While I am checking the carb bowls and brass tube, here is another question. With the air filters off, when it was running I could like see bursts of air coming out of the intake side of carb #4. Is that a problem?
                  Not unusual with the long duration 79 cams.
                  Greg

                  Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”

                  ― Albert Einstein

                  80 SG Ol' Okie;79 engine & carbs w/pods, 45 pilots, 140 mains, Custom Mac 4 into 2 exhaust, ACCT,XS850 final drive,110/90/19 front tire,TKat fork brace, XS750 140 MPH speedometer, Vetter IV fairing, aftermarket hard bags and trunk, LG high back seat, XJ rear shocks.

                  The list changes.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by HalfCentury View Post
                    A video is worth a thousand words. If the bike has been siting a long time, the enrichment circuit is probably clogged.

                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yBwrcqwArA
                    Ok so my carb bowls definitely do not shoot out like that video, one and four seem to be completely clogged and no amount of compressed air or carb cleaner is working to open them up. Any suggestions?
                    2 and three will bubble up and the carb cleaner will flow through, but still not like in the video, I am assuming the video is how they ought to be right?
                    79 F

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                    • #25
                      Sewing Needle!

                      Originally posted by Benettard View Post
                      I am assuming the video is how they ought to be right?
                      YES! These holes can be EXTREMELY difficult to get cleaned. If you get a flashlight and look down into the hole (from where the video shows the fluid flying out of) you will see a tiny little brass sleeve was placed inside that hole about 1/2" from the bottom. The hole in it is about the exact size of one of my wife's sewing needles! (she keeps wondering where they are all going ) It can also be quite difficult to hit that little hole within the brass insert.....

                      Personally, this was the one area that proved I was getting what I was paying for when I purchased "CHEAPO" carb cleaner from K-Mart. The "Good Stuff" - "GUMOUT" setting in them for a little while worked quickly, where the other seemed to do absolutely nothing!

                      Sincerely,
                      KURT
                      Kurt Boehringer
                      Peachtree City, Georgia

                      1970 - CT70K0 - Mini-Trail
                      1978 - SR500 - Thumper
                      1979 - CT70H - Mini-Trail
                      1979 - XS1100SF - Pensacola
                      1980 - XS850SG - Rocky
                      1980 - XS1100SG - The Ugly Duck
                      1980 - XS1100SG - Mayberry Duck
                      1981 - XS1100SH - DEAD Duck Cafe'
                      1981 - XJ550 Maxim - Nancy's Mini-Max
                      1982 - XJ650 SECA - Hurricane
                      1986 - FJ1200 - Georgia Big Red
                      1992 - FZR1000 - Genesis
                      2016 - FJR1300A - Montgomery

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                      • #26
                        I boiled my bowls in lemon juice. Took them out one at a time. Spray the carb spray while the bowl is still hot. That allows the softened goo in the circuit to be ejected.

                        I used boiling lemon juice to completely strip all the crud off of 35 year old brake caliper parts.

                        Lemon juice leaves a sticky film that must be removed with hot water or whatever cleaner du jour you fancy.

                        Boiling lemon juice also removes rust from steel parts. Do not mix aluminum parts with steel parts in boiling lemon juice. Staining will occur.
                        Last edited by HalfCentury; 03-12-2016, 05:58 PM.
                        82 XJ1100 - sold
                        96 Honda Magna 750 - Girlfriend's bike
                        2000 ZRX1100 - sold
                        2003 FJR1300 - Silver rocket

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Benettard View Post
                          Hey guys, I fixed the ignition problem by swapping the orange and grey coil leads.
                          I have a new problem, fuel delivery. See the following video, the bike starts up with a quick shot of starter fluid, runs for a bit and then dies.
                          http://youtu.be/_9rKTp3NCKw

                          On a maybe related note, number one and two carb overflow line is just leaking consistently. I rebuilt the vacuum style petcocks with all new seals and diaphragms, but the drips persist, I can't shot off the petcock either!
                          Any insight will be greatly appreciated.
                          In this video it looks as if you have the fuel running to the top Tee"s which they should not be. The top Tee's are vent lines and the bottom ones are for fuel. If I am correct and you have fuel lines routed to the top, then switch them to the bottom fuel Tee's and see how it runs.
                          2-79 XS1100 SF
                          2-78 XS1100 E Best bike Ever
                          80 XS 1100 SG Big bore kit but not fully running yet.
                          Couple of more parts bikes of which 2 more will live!

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                          • #28
                            Ha

                            Ha! Well now I feel like an idiot! I will switch those around.
                            I will also be boiling my bowls in lemon juice to try to clear up the enrichment circuit. Here is another question, does that long brass tube that goes into that hole in the bowls need to be clear?
                            79 F

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Rasputin View Post
                              In this video it looks as if you have the fuel running to the top Tee"s which they should not be. The top Tee's are vent lines and the bottom ones are for fuel. If I am correct and you have fuel lines routed to the top, then switch them to the bottom fuel Tee's and see how it runs.
                              Nice catch Doug! Made that same mistake myself a looooooooooong time ago.
                              Greg

                              Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”

                              ― Albert Einstein

                              80 SG Ol' Okie;79 engine & carbs w/pods, 45 pilots, 140 mains, Custom Mac 4 into 2 exhaust, ACCT,XS850 final drive,110/90/19 front tire,TKat fork brace, XS750 140 MPH speedometer, Vetter IV fairing, aftermarket hard bags and trunk, LG high back seat, XJ rear shocks.

                              The list changes.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Benettard View Post
                                Ha! Well now I feel like an idiot! I will switch those around.
                                I will also be boiling my bowls in lemon juice to try to clear up the enrichment circuit. Here is another question, does that long brass tube that goes into that hole in the bowls need to be clear?
                                Yes the Brass tube needs to be clear. It fits down inside the fuel bowls and the fuel is drawn up it for the enrichment circuit.
                                2-79 XS1100 SF
                                2-78 XS1100 E Best bike Ever
                                80 XS 1100 SG Big bore kit but not fully running yet.
                                Couple of more parts bikes of which 2 more will live!

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