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I've always been interested in putting a fork brace on my bike, especially after seeing how well machined Tkat's is. The deciding factor was always price at the time. With a decent income tax refund coming, I definitely think it's time to show the bike some love. The death rattle changing lanes was trouser-staining material up till a few months ago. Now, I just go with it and convince myself that the bike is not going to fall over.
The to-do list keeps getting bigger:
1. Re-paint engine, tank, side covers and cowl
2. Re-build front & rear MC's
3. Re-build front & rear calipers
4. Clean & repair all connectors
5. HID headlight upgrade
6. S/S cap screws for engine & carbs
7. Replace cracked ignition cover
8. Look into one size smaller main jets in the Spring (137.5)
9. Look into one size larger pilot jets (45)
10. Install Tkat fork brace
11. Install S/S brake linesLast edited by IanDMacDonald; 12-05-2013, 03:06 PM.1979 XS1100F
2H9 Mod, Truck-Lite LED Headlight, TECHNA-FIT S/S Brake Lines, Rear Air Shocks, TKAT Fork Brace, Dyna DC-I Coils, TC Fuse Block, Barnett HD Clutch Springs, Superbike Handlebars, V-Star 650 ACCT, NGK Irridium Plugs, OEM Exhaust. CNC-Cut 2nd Gear Dogs; Ported/Milled Head; Modded Airbox: 8x8 Wix Panel Filter; #137.5 Main Jet, Viper Yellow Paint, Michelin Pilot Activ F/R, Interstate AGM Battery, 14MM MC, Maier Fairing, Cree LED Fog Lights.
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Originally posted by IanDMacDonald View PostThe to-do list keeps getting bigger:
1. Re-paint engine, tank, side covers and cowl
2. Re-build front & rear MC's
3. Re-build front & rear calipers
4. Clean & repair all connectors
5. HID headlight upgrade
6. S/S cap screws for engine & carbs
7. Replace cracked ignition cover
8. Look into one size smaller main jets in the Spring (137.5)
9. Look into one size larger pilot jets (45)
10. Install Tkat fork brace
11. Install S/S brake linesMarty (in Mississippi)
XS1100SG
XS650SK
XS650SH
XS650G
XS6502F
XS650E
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So, while I was typing my shopping list, all that went down one page back? Lmfaooooo. I'm going to buy one because it looks bad ass, and may help the bike a little. I have otger bikes, so the whole R6 front-end swap goes out the window.1979 XS1100F
2H9 Mod, Truck-Lite LED Headlight, TECHNA-FIT S/S Brake Lines, Rear Air Shocks, TKAT Fork Brace, Dyna DC-I Coils, TC Fuse Block, Barnett HD Clutch Springs, Superbike Handlebars, V-Star 650 ACCT, NGK Irridium Plugs, OEM Exhaust. CNC-Cut 2nd Gear Dogs; Ported/Milled Head; Modded Airbox: 8x8 Wix Panel Filter; #137.5 Main Jet, Viper Yellow Paint, Michelin Pilot Activ F/R, Interstate AGM Battery, 14MM MC, Maier Fairing, Cree LED Fog Lights.
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Fork brace, without question firms up front fork flexing. Stationary testing of that with and without brace proves it works(test it if you don't believe it). Engineering theories is all good, but real-world application IS the bottom line. Majority of the time, alot of difference between the two. The XS11's handling stock, as we know is limited and scarey at best on occassion. The fork brace resolves that......to the point that the rear dual shock set-up fails to follow suit. Short of mono-shocking that end of bike, it is what it is. In a nutshell, if you want superb power, handling and braking in the same package, go buy a friggin' new scoot.81H Venturer1100 "The Bentley" (on steroids) 97 Yamaha YZ250(age reducer) 92 Honda ST1100 "Twisty"(touring rocket) Age is relative to the number of seconds counted 'airing' out an 85ft. table-top.
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Have a TKAT on my SG. Front end has never felt wiggley. XJ air shocks on back handle that end real well. I don't ride too close to the machine's limits, and this set up has always seemed adequate to my needs.1980 XS 11 Special: The King of Kong, 9th wonder of the world. Pacifico fairing, chopped shield, Yamaha hard bags, Diamond seat, T-Kat fork brace, XJ top end, YICS Eliminator, '80 carbs from Spyder Cycle Works, K&N Air filter, Fuse block, stainless steel valves & reg/rect from Oregon MC Parts. Raptor CCT, XJ air shocks, 850 FD, Sportster mufflers, Standard handle bar, Tusk Bar Risers, SS braided brake lines. Cat Eye speedometer. HID projector beam headlight, LED running lights.
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After installing the TKat fork brace this summer, i cannot see why they didn't include one from the factory. I do ride mine hard, so there is a need, but i would not have a bike without one now. They work well!1980 XS1100LG Midnight
1991 Honda CBR1000F Hurricane
"The hand is almost valueless at one end of the arm if there be not a brain at the other"
Here's to a long life and a happy one.
A quick death and an easy one.
A pretty girl and an honest one.
A cold beer and another one!
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This is taken from an old article about making the XS handle better, it explains the need for a fork brace pretty well...
"The XS11's front fork lacks torsional stiffness--something it shares with most bikes that do not clamp the front axle on both sides. The most important factor in front fork stiffness is how well the front axle is clamped. Of course, the XS11's axle is clamped only on one side. When new, friction between the fork leg and the axle will hold it pretty well. After a few thousand miles, however, the axle polishes the hole it fits into and the fork assembly will begin to move around. This is one of the reasons wobble problems tend to show up after several thousand miles. The answer is a fork brace."2H7 (79) owned since '89
3H3 owned since '06
"If it ain't broke, modify it"
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Originally posted by jetmechmarty View PostXS1100F 1980 European model. Standard. Dyna coils. Iridium plugs. XS750 final drive (sometimes). Micron fork brace. Progressive front springs. Geezer regulator/rectifier. Stainless 4 into 2 exhaust. Auto CCT (Venturer 1300) SOLD. New project now on the go. 1980 European model.
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I think Hoek's law doesn't really get to the root if the issue and neither is the moment (or second moment) of inertia. The brace basically helps the two lowers act as a rigid unit. It does shorten the effective length of the forks and this probably helps to prevent the very slight twisting action between the triple trees and the axle. Given the fact that two of my standards had little affect from the brace and only one other did improve, all else being equal, I would say that the brace compensated for some slop in the fork action of that bike.Skids (Sid Hansen)
Down to one 1978 E. Stock air box with K&N filter, 81H pipes and carbs, 8500 feet elevation.
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Originally posted by James England View PostI didn't mean it really. Just a tactic to distract fom the graphs and engineering theory.....'79 XS11 F
Stock except K&N
'79 XS11 SF
Stock, no title.
'84 Chevy K-10 "Big Blue"
GM 350, Muncie SM465, NP208, GM 10 Bolt with 3.42gears turnin 31x10.5 Baja Claws
"What they do have is an implacable, unrelenting presence and movement that bespeaks massive power lurking behind paint and chrome. They don't wail like a screeching ninja, the don't rumble like a harley. They just growl like a spactic, stressed out badger waiting to rip your face off and eat your soul." Trainzz~RIP~
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I'm not an engineer or anything close. I just figured common sense came into play and that a "fork brace" was self-explanatory, that it acted as a "brace" to "support" the forks. How can that not be helpful to a bike that rides like a bent paperclip at high speeds in the curves?1979 XS1100F
2H9 Mod, Truck-Lite LED Headlight, TECHNA-FIT S/S Brake Lines, Rear Air Shocks, TKAT Fork Brace, Dyna DC-I Coils, TC Fuse Block, Barnett HD Clutch Springs, Superbike Handlebars, V-Star 650 ACCT, NGK Irridium Plugs, OEM Exhaust. CNC-Cut 2nd Gear Dogs; Ported/Milled Head; Modded Airbox: 8x8 Wix Panel Filter; #137.5 Main Jet, Viper Yellow Paint, Michelin Pilot Activ F/R, Interstate AGM Battery, 14MM MC, Maier Fairing, Cree LED Fog Lights.
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If you really want to improve the XS's handling, there's this....
http://www.xs11.com/forum/showthread...ight=Fork+swapFast, Cheap, Reliable... Pick any two
'78E original owner - resto project
'78E ???? owner - Modder project FJ forks, 4-piston calipers F/R, 160/80-16 rear tire
'82 XJ rebuild project
'80SG restified, red SOLD
'79F parts...
'81H more parts...
Other current bikes:
'93 XL1200 Anniversary Sportster 85RWHP
'86 XL883/1200 Chopper
'82 XL1000 w/1450cc Buell, Baker 6-speed, in-progress project
Cage: '13 Mustang GT/CS with a few 'custom' touches
Yep, can't leave nuthin' alone...
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I can attest to the improvement in the handling of Phil's bike with the FJ front end, it rides as if it's on rails.
Yet, for all of us still riding with stock front ends, my uneducamated theory is this. Whenever you can provide another anchor point and shorten the 3+' of travel between the triple trees and the axle you're going to have a more responsive steering response. There's something to be said for tying the tubes from the trees to the bottom of the tubes in order to keep the sliders and wheels running true and responsive.1980G Standard, Restored
Kerker 4 - 1
850 Rear End Mod
2-21 Flashing LED Arrays on either side of license plate for Brake Light Assist, 1100 Lumen Cree Aux Lights,
Progressive springs, Showa rear shocks
Automatic CCT
1980GH Special, Restored
Stock Exhaust, New Handlebars, 1" Spacer in Fork Springs, Automatic CCT, Showa Rear Shocks
'82 XJ1100 (Sold)
Automatic CCT, RC Engineering 4 X 1 Exhaust, K&N Pods, #50 Pilot Jets, YICS Eliminator. Sorely missed.
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