Wire rear wheel for XS11... I have an idea.

[Orange4]

Waiting for the Loctite recommendation.

Turns out the spider hub on the 1978 wheel if knaffed. It's got a ton of backlash. Must have run dry at some point. The teeth are 1/4 worn. The spider from the '79 is perfect and shows no slop in the 78's splines so those are OK. So I need a replacement spider hub.

Inner splines seem OK:



De-laced GL 1000 wheel:



One down, 39 to go? Or a new set from David Silver Spares?

[Orange4]

Here's the two splined hubs. '78 on the left.

[DGXSER]

Geeeze, I do not think I have seen anything like that before. And I thought I had seen some REALLY abused bikes.

[crazy steve]

Pretty much the same thing as this.... http://www.xs11.com/forum/showthread.php?t=36874

[Orange4]

Uh Oh!

Guess there may be some more grizzly metal on metal discoveries to come...

[Orange4]

OK. Good news: Checked the final drive and shaft splines. They are all greased up and look really good. Only the spider splines were dry at some point.

Back to the Spoke project.

Here is the reply from The Locktite engineers:

Hi Charley - sorry for the delay. Hope this helps.
Depending on open time and total cure time;there are few options for close gaps of 0.15mm or less - please take noteafter parts are bonded; the adhesive needs to fixture up or at least clamped(at ambient RT) to allow for the adhesive to completely cure:

1) 2 part acrylic = Loctite 8100

2) 2 step acrylic (no mix) = Loctite 334w/ 7387 Activator.

3) 2 part epoxy = Loctite E-40HT

Kind Regards / mit freundlichen Grßßen,

So. Away we go then...

[Orange4]

Here are the options:

Loctite H8100T: Shear strength ISO 4587: 3070 PSI. 55% strength @ 60º
Tensile Strength, at break, ISO 527-2: 1670 PSI
Open time: 15-20 min.

Loctite Hysol E-40HT: Shear strength ISO 4587: 3740 PSI. 70% strength @ 60ºC
Tensile Strength, at break, ISO 527-3: 4300 PSI
Open time: 165-180 min

Loctite 334T: Shear strength ISO 4587: 1000 PSI. 75% strength @ 60ºC
Tensile Strength, at break, ISO 527-2: 3100 PSI
Open time: ~5 min

Looks like epoxy is the winner in every category

[Orange4]

My spoke kit is in the mail:



From David Silver spares.

[fredintoon]

Here are the options: - - - Looks like epoxy is the winner in every category

Hi Marcus,
there's at least 30 sq" of contact area so even using the weakest of those compounds the assembly won't come apart without the use of a 20 ton press.
Pick the compound that's the easiest to use.

[XS1100carbon]

wire wheel

Has anyone ever looked at 85/86 Suzuki Madura 1200 wheels for swapping. Rear looks close. Fronts too.

[Orange4]

That's a good point. I think I will go with the H8100. It's a lower viscosity than epoxy and mixing is not as critical. It's Methacrylate which I think is hilarious because it's basically Crazy Glue.

The next step is to remove the steel and rubber shock dampers so a parting tool can be used without hitting the steel.

First I has to remove the disc brake studs with a bit of heat...



Fixtured up in a dado cutting jig on the trusty Delta Rockwell.



A close up of the cut.



First step complete. Now I have to cut off the "ears".

[Orange4]

Has anyone ever looked at 85/86 Suzuki Madura 1200 wheels for swapping. Rear looks close. Fronts too.

Good eye. They didn't make a lot of those bikes. The rears are 16" to the XS's 17". I suppose you could get custom spokes and lace up a bigger rim but that's another cost. Don't know about mating up the splines like I had originally planned. looks like a different shock absorption system.

The fronts are 19 which is the same but since anything from a later XS650 with discs bolts right on with no mods and there are lots of aftermarket bits for it, the best bet is the XS650 route.

[natemoen]

Good eye. They didn't make a lot of those bikes. The rears are 16" to the XS's 17". I suppose you could get custom spokes and lace up a bigger rim but that's another cost. Don't know about mating up the splines like I had originally planned. looks like a different shock absorption system.

The fronts are 19 which is the same but since anything from a later XS650 with discs bolts right on with no mods and there are lots of aftermarket bits for it, the best bet is the XS650 route.

The specials have 16" wheels.

[Orange4]

More progress: Got the shock dampers out.

Did some more cutting on the saw to remove the last of the stud bosses then a bit of work with the grinder to get down to the outer edges of the dampers. Finally a fair bit of hammering to drive out the dampers. I had a socket just the right size to tap them out. Ready to machine.












One last chore: I have to cut the spokes off of the XS mag. Saw or plasma? I have a small plasma unit. May not be up to the task. I'll give it a shot first though as it would be the fastest and safest.

[natemoen]

Saw. Save yourself the effor of the plasma.