emergency kickstart?

[BA80]

The thing of it is Nate, even if the battery is shot it will most likely throw 10.5 v but not with the starter trying to turn. Unless the battery is completely dead it'll still kick.

The kicker has saved me from a walk home before.

[crazy steve]

The SG has part of what is needed. The kickstart parts from an older engine will slip right in there without too much trouble. The plug needs to be removed and a seal installed and all the other parts can be installed by just removing the clutch cover. The inner part of the rachet gear is already there.

Not entirely true... some of the G and SG bikes had the ratchet mechanism installed at the factory, some didn't. The XJ had nothing installed, so you need it all for those...

[BA80]

All of the G engines I have it's in there and the one H I have has it. I didn't think it was removed until 82.

[Rasputin]

The first pics I took for the other thread that were the wrong ones are from a 80G. The serial number is 3U7****, which is the Canadian version of the 80G model. The states models may well be different but ours does not have the inner workings for the kicksatrt installed.

[tom clisham]

kicker?

Not entirely true... some of the G and SG bikes had the ratchet mechanism installed at the factory, some didn't. The XJ had nothing installed, so you need it all for those...

I've heard, probably on this site, tha if you remove your oil filler cap & look straight down, you might see a gear. If you do, it's an easy conversion to a kicker. if you don't see a gear, You're out of luck. Can only put on a kicker then by breaking down the engine.
On my 80SG, there's nothing in there. However, i do live at the top of a hill.

[BA80]

You can see the outer gears that way if it has the kick start but the gear we are talking about is on the inside of the case and the only way you can see it is with the oil pan off.

[crazy steve]

Here's the three versions of what you might find.... scroll down towards the bottom of the post.

http://www.xs11.com/forum/showthread.php?t=36528

[CaptonZap]

You can see the outer gears that way if it has the kick start but the gear we are talking about is on the inside of the case and the only way you can see it is with the oil pan off.

Not to argue, Greg, but if you lean the bike over on the side stand, and pull the cover, you'll see a smaller cover, to the rear and below the clutch basket, with three 10mm bolts. One of them is halfway behind the clutch basket, so it takes a "special" wrench to take it out. (A welding torch and an old box end will get you in business.)
Take the small cover out, and if you see some gear teeth in the upper right side of the hole, inside, you only need the parts from there on out.
Does anybody have the clip and screw that hold the kick starter in place, that they want to sell me cheap?
BTDT. CZ

[fredintoon]

well that sucks,yammie screwed me out of a kickstart. yep,I got a true 80.

Hi John,
if you can't kick you can always push though being on a slope you can roll down is better.
Like Greg sez, without the starter sucking on it even a nearly dead battery will have more Volts than are needed to work the ignition box.
Oddly enough, although my rig is ~300lbs heavier it's easier to push start it than when it was a solo because you can scoot it along without the fear that it'll fall over on you.

[BA80]

Not to argue, Greg, but if you lean the bike over on the side stand, and pull the cover, you'll see a smaller cover, to the rear and below the clutch basket, with three 10mm bolts. One of them is halfway behind the clutch basket, so it takes a "special" wrench to take it out. (A welding torch and an old box end will get you in business.)
Take the small cover out, and if you see some gear teeth in the upper right side of the hole, inside, you only need the parts from there on out.
Does anybody have the clip and screw that hold the kick starter in place, that they want to sell me cheap?
BTDT. CZ

Ok CZ, we were talking about seing the gear through the oil fill. To correct myself, although you can't see the gear that way you can see the end of the shaft it rides on if it is there.

[CaptonZap]

Ok CZ, we were talking about seing the gear through the oil fill. To correct myself, although you can't see the gear that way you can see the end of the shaft it rides on if it is there.

Oh, I see. You were looking at it through your beer goggles.

My point was that if someone wants to know if that gear is in there, they can take the side cover off and look. If it is there, then they need to find the shaft, gaers, spring, seal, etc, and no need to split the case. cz

[BA80]

And my point is that if the shaft is there, so is the gear so there would be no need to disassemble anything to find out.

BTW.......did you not get something you need for your kickstart?

[CaptonZap]

And my point is that if the shaft is there, so is the gear so there would be no need to disassemble anything to find out.

BTW.......did you not get something you need for your kickstart?

Well, in a manner of speaking, yes.
The stock, non folding, kick starter stows away under the battery box.
There is a metal clip that bolts to the battery support bracket under the left side, that the foot peg clips into, and a stamped steel cap with a rubber bushing and a wing bolt that holds the splined end of the crank to a bracket on the right.
Those are the parts I need.
The internal parts you supplied worked like a charm, I just want to stow the stock crank until I can find a non worn out folding crank that doesn't bang against the air cleaner when it is folded in. CZ

[James England]

Well, in a manner of speaking, yes.
The stock, non folding, kick starter stows away under the battery box.
There is a metal clip that bolts to the battery support bracket under the left side, that the foot peg clips into, and a stamped steel cap with a rubber bushing and a wing bolt that holds the splined end of the crank to a bracket on the right.
Those are the parts I need.
The internal parts you supplied worked like a charm, I just want to stow the stock crank until I can find a non worn out folding crank that doesn't bang against the air cleaner when it is folded in. CZ

The only thing is that the casing that the emergency kickstart operates in has no bush or bearing on the kickstart shaft hole, just an oil seal. It's not really meant to be used permanently, just on occasions when the battery is low. I think you'll find regular use of the emergency kickstart will quite possible damage the clutch casing in this area and lead to oil weeping out. I did wonder about the possibility of drilling the shaft hole out and putting a bush into it.....

[BA80]

I've got the a couple of clips that goes on the right but the cap and wing bolt I only have one of and I'm using it on my SF.

If I had another cap I would mount the kicker for my SG too but as it is it just rides happily along in the bottom of my right saddle bag.