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  • General Questions: Accident Repair Saga

    OK, this title may get the prize for "most vague in class"--my apologies in advance. Saga is meant to convey that this will likely be an ongoing onslaught of questions over the coming weeks.

    So, my '79 Special was recently damaged somehow, and I've written about that elsewhere. I'm writing this post to ask about some general repair questions that may help me get it up and running again.

    1. The left headlight mount was bent quite a bit. I was able to rectify it somewhat, but it's still bent, and the light aims left. Ideas for how to fix (better ways to bend it), or where to find a new mount if that's the preferred route. If Ebay, telling me what exactly that mount is called would be good. The mount is soldered to a cylindrical piece that slides freely around the top of the fork. If there is an easy way to remove it to slide the new one one, that would be good to know as well.

    2. The semi-spherical case that the lamp fits in (and in which the wiring resides) was also bent. I mostly fixed that, but the lamp doesn't seem be seated quite right. Maybe I should be looking for damage to that metal assembly that surrounds the lamp?

    3. The bolt from the highway pegs punctured the cover to the ignition timing assembly. I've currently filled the hole with silicone, and the venerable James England has very generously sent me a replacement cover. I mention the cover in case it's relevant to mechanical problems down the road.

    4. The cable from the front wheel to the speedometer-tachometer console got yanked out of the console (at the handlebars). I've made a quick fix, but I'm not sure it's working properly. Help here is appreciated, but I'll post a more detailed description of the problem as it becomes more clear.

    5. Somehow, I think the steering is misaligned. I don't what this is yet. Either the wheel and forks are off rotational alignment with the bike's direction of travel, or the forks were twisted in some way (torsional misalignment within the fork). I'm hoping for the former. The left side of the handlebar might be slightly bent (not sure yet). I'll check soon to see if the brakes are dragging, or if there is any more info I can provide to characterize/diagnose the problem.

    6. Minor scratches to the front left turn signal, the left handlebar tip, the clutch lever, etc. Unfortunate, but no egregious cosmetic damage.

    7. The engine is idling the same as before, but easing the clutch in can kill it, and didn't use to. Acceleration is patchy. Not sure if this is due to impact with the ground, or if a cable got yanked, or what. Any thoughts, or things to check to make my description more helpful to you all, are welcome.

    More things may reveal themselves as the investigation proceeds. The insurance assessor will be coming in the next few days, (perhaps) followed by a trip to the mechanic to get an estimate. Apart from wanting to be able to fix these problems myself if it comes to it, I'd like to be as knowledgeable as possible to avoid being "had".

    Thanks so much,

    Mendizale
    1979 Yamaha XS1100 Special
    1969 (or '70 or '71) Triumph (Trophy or BSA) 250

  • #2
    #1

    #1 I can address...

    They are called headlight "ears" and you can find them readily on eBay - I would look for a bucket to go with it. Your headlight misalignment may be related to these damaged items or also a mal-aligned fork since you noted there was an issue there also. Note that Special ears are different than Standard ears - so look for yours specifically.

    To the fork, I would go through and loosen the steering triple tree bolts and realign the fork and retighten - note if your handlebars are bent it can inhibit your ability to eyeball it straight - if you have ANY other bars known to be good swap them into the tree mount (no need to swap cables and such - just push out of the way - and get it straight - then move your bars back into position - if it then looks crooked then they are bent.

    Sorry you got hit and run.

    John
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    • #3
      I'll throw a couple of ideas at this...

      You can straighten the ears if you pull them off. Put some duct tape over the places you need to beat (to protect the chrome) and have at it. Not always successful in terms of cosmetics, but worth a try. To get the ears off, remove the stem bolt, loosen the three top tree pinch bolts and lift the the top tree, handlebars, etc straight up. You can now remove the ears.

      Finding good ears may not be so easy; like John says, there's always some on eBay, but look carefully as I see a lot of damaged ones. Same thing goes for the headlight bucket.

      The bad ignition cover won't hurt anything as long as you keep water out of there. I've covered holes in those with duct tape...

      The speedo cable will probably need replacing if either end got damaged. Check the speedo too; those are harder to come by...

      Steering/fork alignment. Carefully check to make sure you didn't get a bent fork tube; if one is bent, it will have to be replaced. No bent parts, realign the forks; look here for the procedure... http://www.xs11.com/forum/showthread...fork+alignment. Check cable routing to see if that's the problem, or for bent bars.

      As far as getting an estimate for repairs, you may find they simply want to total it. Given the costs of shop time these days, and the difficulty of getting parts for these, it's not hard at all to get a repair total for more than the bike is worth...
      Fast, Cheap, Reliable... Pick any two

      '78E original owner - resto project
      '78E ???? owner - Modder project FJ forks, 4-piston calipers F/R, 160/80-16 rear tire
      '82 XJ rebuild project
      '80SG restified, red SOLD
      '79F parts...
      '81H more parts...

      Other current bikes:
      '93 XL1200 Anniversary Sportster 85RWHP
      '86 XL883/1200 Chopper
      '82 XL1000 w/1450cc Buell, Baker 6-speed, in-progress project
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      Yep, can't leave nuthin' alone...

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      • #4
        Totaled

        I had an issue with an old car that got smashed up pretty bad and deemed the other driver's fault. The adjuster came to my house and promptly told me the car was a total loss. I said, "No. You're going to pay ME $20 per hour to fix it, and buy me the used parts." He called the salvage yard right there and priced the parts. He agreed, and wrote me a check. I fixed the car.

        I don't have much to add to the repair advice. I just bought NOS headlight ears. They're perfect, but they were not cheap. I bought them here:
        NW Vintage Cycle Parts
        Marty (in Mississippi)
        XS1100SG
        XS650SK
        XS650SH
        XS650G
        XS6502F
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Mendizale View Post
          1. The left headlight mount was bent quite a bit. I was able to rectify it somewhat, but it's still bent, and the light aims left. Ideas for how to fix (better ways to bend it), or where to find a new mount if that's the preferred route. If Ebay, telling me what exactly that mount is called would be good. The mount is soldered to a cylindrical piece that slides freely around the top of the fork. If there is an easy way to remove it to slide the new one one, that would be good to know as well.
          Often called "Headlight Ears" or "Headlight Brackets". If it is bent up to badly, Ebay is a good source for these. Easiest way to remove them is to simply remove the top triple tree. Loosen the pinch bolt at the sterring neck, remove the top cap bolt on the steering neck, and loosen the pinch bolts at the forks. Carfully remove the top tree lifting it up. Now the headlight brackets will slide right off the forks.

          Originally posted by Mendizale View Post
          2. The semi-spherical case that the lamp fits in (and in which the wiring resides) was also bent. I mostly fixed that, but the lamp doesn't seem be seated quite right. Maybe I should be looking for damage to that metal assembly that surrounds the lamp?
          A little "tool" I made for this was to take a block of 3/4" thick hardwood, cut an arc through it the same radius as the headlight bucket, then use those two pieces with a clamp to re-press the rim back into shape. Should work on both pieces.

          Originally posted by Mendizale View Post
          3. The bolt from the highway pegs punctured the cover to the ignition timing assembly. I've currently filled the hole with silicone, and the venerable James England has very generously sent me a replacement cover. I mention the cover in case it's relevant to mechanical problems down the road.
          As long as it did not contact the timing assembly you should not have problems.

          Originally posted by Mendizale View Post
          4. The cable from the front wheel to the speedometer-tachometer console got yanked out of the console (at the handlebars). I've made a quick fix, but I'm not sure it's working properly. Help here is appreciated, but I'll post a more detailed description of the problem as it becomes more clear.
          If the Speedo cable got damaged, buy a replacement. They are available. If it stripped the threads on the speedo, well, that will pretty well suck. You can get a replacement speedo, but finding the 79 version that goes up to 160 MPH and is round, that is pretty tough.

          Originally posted by Mendizale View Post
          5. Somehow, I think the steering is misaligned. I don't what this is yet. Either the wheel and forks are off rotational alignment with the bike's direction of travel, or the forks were twisted in some way (torsional misalignment within the fork). I'm hoping for the former. The left side of the handlebar might be slightly bent (not sure yet). I'll check soon to see if the brakes are dragging, or if there is any more info I can provide to characterize/diagnose the problem.
          As others stated, there is a process to re-align the fornt end. Get a manual, read the process and follow it.

          Originally posted by Mendizale View Post
          7. The engine is idling the same as before, but easing the clutch in can kill it, and didn't use to. Acceleration is patchy. Not sure if this is due to impact with the ground, or if a cable got yanked, or what. Any thoughts, or things to check to make my description more helpful to you all, are welcome.
          Check that your throttle cable is properly aligned and in its holders. Same for clutch cable. Might check pick up coil wires due to damage mentioned before.

          Really sucks, did not see post on how this happened, hpe it all gets worked out soon for you. Be very careful who you let wokr on it though, if they do not know what they are doing, they can do more harm than good. And not alot of shops have anyone who knows what they are doing with these.
          Life is what happens while your planning everything else!

          When your work speaks for itself, don't interrupt.

          81 XS1100 Special - Humpty Dumpty
          80 XS1100 Special - Project Resurrection


          Previously owned
          93 GSX600F
          80 XS1100 Special - Ruby
          81 XS1100 Special
          81 CB750 C
          80 CB750 C
          78 XS750

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          • #6
            I would suggest pulling the forks off and just checking them for bends. Better safe than sorry.
            Nathan
            KD9ARL

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            1978 XS1100E
            K&N Filter
            #45 pilot Jet, #137.5 Main Jet
            OEM Exhaust
            ATK Fork Brace
            LED Dash lights
            Ammeter, Oil Pressure, Oil Temp, and Volt Meters

            Green Monster Coils
            SS Brake Lines
            Vision 550 Auto Tensioner

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            • #7
              Thanks for the replies, everyone--all very helpful so far. It sounds like the repairs are manageable (with your wise counsel) even if the assessor totals the bike.

              I'll update this post for those who may be interested, and post additional questions as they come up. Cbug's offer to send printed manuals could not have been more timely. Maybe they'll arrive today...

              I'm going to start looking for parts on eBay, but I'll wait to tinker with the forks until the assessor has a look. Finding the right mechanic seems very important--any recommendations for one in Seattle?
              1979 Yamaha XS1100 Special
              1969 (or '70 or '71) Triumph (Trophy or BSA) 250

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              • #8
                Speedometer Calbe: 1979 XS1100 Special

                Anybody know if the actual speedometer cable is model- or year- specific?
                1979 Yamaha XS1100 Special
                1969 (or '70 or '71) Triumph (Trophy or BSA) 250

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                • #9
                  The cable is model-specific. The specials used a different speedo drive at the wheel, with a different end.

                  As far as finding a shop to do the work, you may find this way too expensive; most shops' labor rates are $60 and up (mostly up ). These bikes are at the time in their lives where DIY is the only method that usually doesn't end up costing more than they're worth...
                  Fast, Cheap, Reliable... Pick any two

                  '78E original owner - resto project
                  '78E ???? owner - Modder project FJ forks, 4-piston calipers F/R, 160/80-16 rear tire
                  '82 XJ rebuild project
                  '80SG restified, red SOLD
                  '79F parts...
                  '81H more parts...

                  Other current bikes:
                  '93 XL1200 Anniversary Sportster 85RWHP
                  '86 XL883/1200 Chopper
                  '82 XL1000 w/1450cc Buell, Baker 6-speed, in-progress project
                  Cage: '13 Mustang GT/CS with a few 'custom' touches
                  Yep, can't leave nuthin' alone...

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                  • #10
                    On the Kawasaki message board that I'm on is a place called Wildhair Accessories.They have aftermarket ways to mount headlights.Best of luck trying to fix your bike!
                    1980 XS1100 SG
                    Inline fuel filters
                    New wires in old coils-outer spark plugs
                    160 mph speedometer mod
                    Kerker Exhaust
                    xschop K & N air filter setup
                    Dynojet Recalibration kit
                    1999 Kawasaki ZRX1100
                    1997 Jeep Cherokee 4.5"lift installed

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                    • #11
                      The guy on Wildhair is named Efrem-or something like that.Cool site though!
                      1980 XS1100 SG
                      Inline fuel filters
                      New wires in old coils-outer spark plugs
                      160 mph speedometer mod
                      Kerker Exhaust
                      xschop K & N air filter setup
                      Dynojet Recalibration kit
                      1999 Kawasaki ZRX1100
                      1997 Jeep Cherokee 4.5"lift installed

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by crazy steve View Post
                        The cable is model-specific. The specials used a different speedo drive at the wheel, with a different end.

                        As far as finding a shop to do the work, you may find this way too expensive; most shops' labor rates are $60 and up (mostly up ). These bikes are at the time in their lives where DIY is the only method that usually doesn't end up costing more than they're worth...
                        Hi,

                        Any chance you could click this ebay link to verify it's a Special cable?

                        Thanks!

                        http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...=STRK:MEWAX:IT
                        1979 Yamaha XS1100 Special
                        1969 (or '70 or '71) Triumph (Trophy or BSA) 250

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Mendizale View Post
                          Hi,

                          Any chance you could click this ebay link to verify it's a Special cable?

                          Thanks!

                          http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...=STRK:MEWAX:IT
                          Yes, this will fit 79-81 Specials.
                          2H7 (79) owned since '89
                          3H3 owned since '06

                          "If it ain't broke, modify it"

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                          • #14
                            Thanks Phil! The seller still hasn't responded, and I wanted to ensure that it wasn't inaccurately labeled...
                            1979 Yamaha XS1100 Special
                            1969 (or '70 or '71) Triumph (Trophy or BSA) 250

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                            • #15
                              Yep, way to tell is the Special/XJ type has a bracket thing on one end, the Standard type has the threaded sleeves on both ends.
                              2H7 (79) owned since '89
                              3H3 owned since '06

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