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  • #31
    MIss

    Here is what has been done to it since I bought it, so youll understand. I bought it in late 09. It was missing often on 2 cylinders, and learned on this forum about the PU wires. He replaced them, and that fixed it wonderfully! He tore the carbs apart to look at them and clean, and found one of the jets was basically welded in place. I got carb kits from the States, and he drilled out the bad jet, but none of the parts perfectly matched any of the old parts in the carbs! He put all the old jets back in place, except the one he had to drill out, and basically threw all the rest of the crap kits away! The replaced jet has always run a little rich, he couldnt lean it as much as he would have liked, but it has run fine until about a month and a half ago. This miss started out slowly, and has progressed. He has reinspected all wiring, cleaned connections, checked fuses, etc. I have a 6 mo old voltage regulator on it, and new 3 ohm coils, and still have this damn miss!!! Today and yesterday, he has been playing with the mixture, he richened the missing cylinder, which is the one with the new jet. He has had the carbs off and inspected them twice within the last two months when the miss started, and its not dirt, or broken parts. Yesterday, he switched the diapragm from the missing cylinder, which coincidentally is the one wth the replaced jet, and put it in the outboard cylinder next to it, and its still the same one missing, so that rules out the diaphragm. My mechanics a good carb man, and electrical, but had no dealings with this bike until I got this one, and the work he is doing on the mixture doesnt seem to be doing much. We are just at a complete standstill, but I gave you all the history so you would know that many of the suggestions Ive gotten, to clean carbs etc had been done more than once recently. And, the replaced jet, worked well for almost two years, and is clean, he doesnt think any way that thats what it is. Sorry to bother ya with this, but many of the guys didnt realize that almost all of the small things have been checked, and we are lost!!!! Thanx for the time, and I realize you might not be able to give me an answer, but thought Id try!!! Take care, and mabuhay from the Philippines!!! The cylinder thats missing is the third one, and Ive also had a suggestion to switch number two and three plug wires, and see if the miss moves. Am gonna try that today. A friend also suggested the idle mixture, could that cause a miss like this?? Again, to describe the miss, it only misses under light throttle. When given plenty of throttle, it runs fine until it reaches cruising speed for that gear, and then starts to miss until given plenty of throttle again. HEEEEELLLLLPPPPPPPP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Smiling in the Philippines
    1980 XS Eleven Special
    Running nicely thanks to this forum!

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    • #32
      You need to switch that jet that was switched out with the carb next to it to see if the problem moves. If you have one part that is different, and that cylinder has a problem that is almost always going to be the problem, even if it didn't manifest right away.
      Cy

      1980 XS1100G (Brutus) w/81H Engine
      Duplicolor Mirage Paint Job (Purple/Green)
      Vetter Windjammer IV
      Vetter hard bags & Trunk
      OEM Luggage Rack
      Jardine Spaghetti 4-2 exhaust system
      Spade Fuse Box
      Turn Signal Auto Cancel Mod
      750 FD Mod
      TC Spin on Oil Filter Adapter (temp removed)
      XJ1100 Front Footpegs
      XJ1100 Shocks

      I was always taught to respect my elders, but it keeps getting harder to find one.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by hanger10 View Post
        ...This miss started out slowly, and has progressed...(
        Y'know, I'm wondering if you have an intake valve that's getting too tight; have you checked the valve lash? If the intake is just starting to be barely held open, this would be the symtoms. At low throttle openings, any 'leakage' would be enough to foul up the intake charge, but at bigger openings the increased velocity would overcome this. This would also explain the 'gradual' nature of this; as the valve gets tighter, the leak gets bigger. Check your valves, I'll bet they need adjusting...
        Fast, Cheap, Reliable... Pick any two

        '78E original owner - resto project
        '78E ???? owner - Modder project FJ forks, 4-piston calipers F/R, 160/80-16 rear tire
        '82 XJ rebuild project
        '80SG restified, red SOLD
        '79F parts...
        '81H more parts...

        Other current bikes:
        '93 XL1200 Anniversary Sportster 85RWHP
        '86 XL883/1200 Chopper
        '82 XL1000 w/1450cc Buell, Baker 6-speed, in-progress project
        Cage: '13 Mustang GT/CS with a few 'custom' touches
        Yep, can't leave nuthin' alone...

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        • #34
          Originally posted by crazy steve View Post
          Y'know, I'm wondering if you have an intake valve that's getting too tight; have you checked the valve lash? If the intake is just starting to be barely held open, this would be the symtoms. At low throttle openings, any 'leakage' would be enough to foul up the intake charge, but at bigger openings the increased velocity would overcome this. This would also explain the 'gradual' nature of this; as the valve gets tighter, the leak gets bigger. Check your valves, I'll bet they need adjusting...
          You know, that could be. I'm still suspicious of that jet though, what with it being different than all the rest and the problem being on the same cylinder. If it were me I would at least order the correct jet to replace it with as well. Someone on here should be able to get one for him and get it to him, I mean it would be the same as the other ones.
          Cy

          1980 XS1100G (Brutus) w/81H Engine
          Duplicolor Mirage Paint Job (Purple/Green)
          Vetter Windjammer IV
          Vetter hard bags & Trunk
          OEM Luggage Rack
          Jardine Spaghetti 4-2 exhaust system
          Spade Fuse Box
          Turn Signal Auto Cancel Mod
          750 FD Mod
          TC Spin on Oil Filter Adapter (temp removed)
          XJ1100 Front Footpegs
          XJ1100 Shocks

          I was always taught to respect my elders, but it keeps getting harder to find one.

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          • #35
            The 'bad' jet probably isn't helping any, but may not be the root cause. I had a car years ago that had an intake valve go bad, and it had much the same symtoms. Would start and idle, but at throttle openings it would stumble badly. The car did it worse overall, but with a single carb and common plenum that would be expected as the 'backflow' screwed up the mixture for all cylinders...
            Fast, Cheap, Reliable... Pick any two

            '78E original owner - resto project
            '78E ???? owner - Modder project FJ forks, 4-piston calipers F/R, 160/80-16 rear tire
            '82 XJ rebuild project
            '80SG restified, red SOLD
            '79F parts...
            '81H more parts...

            Other current bikes:
            '93 XL1200 Anniversary Sportster 85RWHP
            '86 XL883/1200 Chopper
            '82 XL1000 w/1450cc Buell, Baker 6-speed, in-progress project
            Cage: '13 Mustang GT/CS with a few 'custom' touches
            Yep, can't leave nuthin' alone...

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            • #36
              Jet

              We will switch jets this week and find out!!!!!! Then, will check the valves. Thanx all so much for the ideas!!!!
              Smiling in the Philippines
              1980 XS Eleven Special
              Running nicely thanks to this forum!

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              • #37
                Even if the jet cures the problem, if you haven't checked the valves, do so. These motors get quieter as valve lash gets out of spec, so it can lull you into thinking everything is good. And adjusting the valves to the 'big' side of the lash spec will give you more time before the next adjustment needs to be done, so valve noise can be good...
                Fast, Cheap, Reliable... Pick any two

                '78E original owner - resto project
                '78E ???? owner - Modder project FJ forks, 4-piston calipers F/R, 160/80-16 rear tire
                '82 XJ rebuild project
                '80SG restified, red SOLD
                '79F parts...
                '81H more parts...

                Other current bikes:
                '93 XL1200 Anniversary Sportster 85RWHP
                '86 XL883/1200 Chopper
                '82 XL1000 w/1450cc Buell, Baker 6-speed, in-progress project
                Cage: '13 Mustang GT/CS with a few 'custom' touches
                Yep, can't leave nuthin' alone...

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                • #38
                  Valves

                  We are checking the valves tomorrow! Ive got the OEM manual, and somewhere here I have read a post or link that tells how to change pads, if need be, without using the tappet tool. Can somebody hook me up with that post or link please???? Thanx!
                  Smiling in the Philippines
                  1980 XS Eleven Special
                  Running nicely thanks to this forum!

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                  • #39
                    If you are not using the tool you have to unbolt the cams. Even of you have the tool sometimes the clearances are so small to non existent that you STILL have to pull the cams.
                    Nathan
                    KD9ARL

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                    1978 XS1100E
                    K&N Filter
                    #45 pilot Jet, #137.5 Main Jet
                    OEM Exhaust
                    ATK Fork Brace
                    LED Dash lights
                    Ammeter, Oil Pressure, Oil Temp, and Volt Meters

                    Green Monster Coils
                    SS Brake Lines
                    Vision 550 Auto Tensioner

                    In any moment of decision the best thing you can do is the right thing, the next best thing is the wrong thing, and the worst thing you can do is nothing.

                    Theodore Roosevelt

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                    • #40
                      Last year, a fellow XS1100 owner showed me how to do my valves with a flat 1/4" tipped screwdriver, and a couple pieces of bondo spreader. It was a very simple process, and not the nightmare others talked about. He said he posted this procedure up a long time ago, but i couldn't find it. I can ask him to repost it maybe.
                      1980 XS1100LG Midnight
                      1991 Honda CBR1000F Hurricane


                      "The hand is almost valueless at one end of the arm if there be not a brain at the other"

                      Here's to a long life and a happy one.
                      A quick death and an easy one.
                      A pretty girl and an honest one.
                      A cold beer and another one!

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                      • #41
                        valves

                        The one Im talking about was about the same! Using a screw driver and loosening the cam cap bolts to slightly move the cam!
                        Smiling in the Philippines
                        1980 XS Eleven Special
                        Running nicely thanks to this forum!

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                        • #42
                          I have the head off mine right now and I am just waiting till I get the shims I need before I even put it back on. It is easier that way.
                          Nathan
                          KD9ARL

                          μολὼν λαβέ

                          1978 XS1100E
                          K&N Filter
                          #45 pilot Jet, #137.5 Main Jet
                          OEM Exhaust
                          ATK Fork Brace
                          LED Dash lights
                          Ammeter, Oil Pressure, Oil Temp, and Volt Meters

                          Green Monster Coils
                          SS Brake Lines
                          Vision 550 Auto Tensioner

                          In any moment of decision the best thing you can do is the right thing, the next best thing is the wrong thing, and the worst thing you can do is nothing.

                          Theodore Roosevelt

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                          • #43
                            With the method he showed me, you don't need to loosen the cam.
                            1980 XS1100LG Midnight
                            1991 Honda CBR1000F Hurricane


                            "The hand is almost valueless at one end of the arm if there be not a brain at the other"

                            Here's to a long life and a happy one.
                            A quick death and an easy one.
                            A pretty girl and an honest one.
                            A cold beer and another one!

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                            • #44
                              valves

                              The thing I remember reading, cant remember if it was a post or not, was about loosening the cam caps and then using a screw driver to move the cam slightly, sounded pretty simple, and Im here in the Philippines so dont have access to the tappet tool.
                              Smiling in the Philippines
                              1980 XS Eleven Special
                              Running nicely thanks to this forum!

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                              • #45
                                Yeah. If you loosen the cam caps you can get the shims out. Just measure your clearance on all the lobes and then figure out what shims you need and then pop the caps and swap. Nothing special to do. Just make sure you check your timing after your done in case you accidently moved a tooth or something.
                                Nathan
                                KD9ARL

                                μολὼν λαβέ

                                1978 XS1100E
                                K&N Filter
                                #45 pilot Jet, #137.5 Main Jet
                                OEM Exhaust
                                ATK Fork Brace
                                LED Dash lights
                                Ammeter, Oil Pressure, Oil Temp, and Volt Meters

                                Green Monster Coils
                                SS Brake Lines
                                Vision 550 Auto Tensioner

                                In any moment of decision the best thing you can do is the right thing, the next best thing is the wrong thing, and the worst thing you can do is nothing.

                                Theodore Roosevelt

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