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  • MAX
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    • May 2009
    • 9
    • lockwood

    #1

    still trouble elec. problem ? pickup coil

    thanks for all the thoughts. Still not running right. In idle runs great and low gear runs good but in higher gears starts loosing power. I have soloid the broken wire ohm on the pick up coil went from 610ohm to 720ohm. I have measured the volt on wires orange and gray got 12vdc. I replaced the coils and spark plugs because the reading where 25k on the spark plug wires 1 @ 4 and 2 @ 3where all over the place. Have more power but I am still find after 30min ride the exhust pipe on 1 @ 4 still warm to the touch and now it's started to back firing . thanks max
    AGIAN THANKS LOTS FOR ALL THE HELP
  • TopCatGr58
    Administrator
    • Jul 2002
    • 12650
    • Portsmouth, Va.

    #2
    Originally posted by MAX
    thanks for all the thoughts. Still not running right. In idle runs great and low gear runs good but in higher gears starts loosing power. I have soloid the broken wire ohm on the pick up coil went from 610ohm to 720ohm. I have measured the volt on wires orange and gray got 12vdc. I replaced the coils and spark plugs because the reading where 25k on the spark plug wires 1 @ 4 and 2 @ 3where all over the place. Have more power but I am still find after 30min ride the exhust pipe on 1 @ 4 still warm to the touch and now it's started to back firing . thanks max
    AGIAN THANKS LOTS FOR ALL THE HELP

    Hey Max,

    Did you mean to say you SOLVED the PU coil problem?? IF so, then along with NEW ignition/spark plug wires/plugs, that eliminates those possibilities!

    Don't recall if you've done any work on the carbs, any intake/exhaust mods, what the jetting is?? Also, could be a bad solder joint on the TCI, just ask BNE who had his recently fixed by Randy...see his website and diagnostics from his username profile!
    T.C.
    T. C. Gresham
    81SH "Godzilla" . . .1179cc super-rat.
    79SF "The Teacher" . . .basket case!
    History shows again and again,
    How nature points out the folly of men!

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    • MAX
      New
      • May 2009
      • 9
      • lockwood

      #3
      Still trouble with elec. problem?

      Hi T.C.
      No still question the best way to check the pick up coil. I have the ohm that you guy and the manual say but still have cold exhust pipe 1&4. Could the TCI be bad to cause the problems I'm having with the 1&4. Thanks max

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      • TopCatGr58
        Administrator
        • Jul 2002
        • 12650
        • Portsmouth, Va.

        #4
        Hey Max,

        You have to pull on the wires under the timing cover. Often there are a few strands that are making contact, but they have broken completely in two. The insulation keeps them together, but as the timing plate rotates from the vac. adv. and cent. adv. processes, the wires flex, and separates the broken wires, which prevents signals going to the TCI which in turn doesn't signal the coil and you get cold pipes and very poor performance....a 550 instead of an 1100!

        But yes, the TCI with bad solder joints can also cause same problems, but so can a bad ignition coil! BNE/MadMaxim had a bad TCI joint that dropped out his 2-3 cylinders, and after RANDY resoldered it, worked like a charm!

        See the tech tips on fixing the PU coil wires, tells you about testing ie. PULLING on the wires to see if the insulation hourglasses!
        T.C.
        T. C. Gresham
        81SH "Godzilla" . . .1179cc super-rat.
        79SF "The Teacher" . . .basket case!
        History shows again and again,
        How nature points out the folly of men!

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        • GARTHXS
          XS-XJ Guru
          • Nov 2007
          • 1631
          • Seattle

          #5
          I seem to remember

          I don't recall the wire colors but maybe someone more worthy can chime in , but if you pull the small plug out of the tci and check them with your multi meter that can tell you if your pick up coils are not working. Anyone??
          91 kwaka kz1000p
          Stock


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          • 3Phase
            XS-XJ Super Guru
            • May 2008
            • 5529
            • Simi Valley, CA

            #6
            Pickup Coil Connector Wire Colors

            Here you go:

            #1 pickup
            White/Red --> White/Green 720 Ohms

            #2 pickup
            Yellow/Red --> Yellow/Green 720 Ohms


            Regards,

            Scott (still not worthy though.... )
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            • jeffe
              XStremely XSive
              • Oct 2004
              • 393
              • Westerville,Ohio

              #7
              I have checked the PU coils with a very low tech method. Remove the left side cover. Start the bike and carefully give the coils a tug. When I have had a problem with mine it was always as I picked uped RPM's. It always idled correctly. When you tug on the bad wire the bike will start to miss and or run rough. Another area to check is where the "bendy" PU coil wires attach to the rest of the wiring harness. They can come apart there. Even on a brand new NOS harness. DAMHIK!
              78E ... Gone but not forgotten
              2006 Kawasaki Concours....just getting to know it

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              • MAX
                New
                • May 2009
                • 9
                • lockwood

                #8
                thanks for help on the pick-up coil

                thank you for all the help I have the bike running thanks to you guys. turned out to the TCI box. So I have used the gm ign. replacement but Idle seem to idle fast. What is normal settings for idle on rpms and do you adjust the idle speed knob when bike is warm up. I have also replaced the coils with the newer up grade. thanks again.

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                • dbeardslee
                  XS-XJ Super Guru
                  • Nov 2007
                  • 4385
                  • Maineville, OH

                  #9
                  Yes, adjust idle when fully warm. Should be around 1k rpms.
                  I think I have a loose screw behind the handlebars.

                  '79 XS11 Standard, Jardine 4/1, Dyna DC1-1 Coils, 145 mains, 45 pilots, plastic floats - 25.7mm, XV920 fuel valves, inline fuel filters, speed bleeders, Mikes XS pods, spade-type fuse block, fork brace, progressive fork springs/shocks, manual petcocks, 750 FD, Venture cam chain tensioner, SS brake lines

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