Ghosts, Goblins and Global Warming

[MAXIMAN]

Originally posted by fredintoon
[BHi Maximan,
um, er, duh, like, that was an analogy, man.
Unless you are into that oriental profundity stuff. All rivers are one river and like that. [/B]

hahaha...

Well this discussion is all in good fun I hope you realize.

I am not a specialist in the field of climatology. However all accredited graduate geologists are competent in the field of paleoclimates. This is a fundamental underpinnig of our science. We must understand the ancient climate and weather systems to be able to unlock the mystery of how sediment is deposited over the eons.

If the promoters of anthropogenic global warming can scream their lunacy from a position of ignorance ( most are not even accredited scientist)...then I can at least speak my mind and tell people about the fundamentals of earth's history.

[oseaghdha]

Further Reading

Stuff Algore won't tell you

[xschop]

CO 2

if they want to start cutting emmissions, they should stop using solid fuel rockets (space shuttle being one) and burning coal (most electric plants). And the big LIE is that China and India are the biggest emitters as we speak. Check the facts. Man will destroy the earth by fission not combustion......

[MAXIMAN]

Re: Further Reading

Originally posted by oseaghdha
Stuff Algore won't tell you

Great material. I've read a lot of this but some I've not seen. Thanks for the link.

[Jerry]

Been following this with a bit of humor.

Was it perfectly natural for thousands of cycles over a half billion years? And now suddenly this one time it is MAN'S DOING?

Actually, there is not much question by mainstream scientists that the earth is in a warming cycle, also that such cycles have occured in the past.

Question is how much has / will man's activities, if any, affect this cycle? On one hand some say the effect is significant, on the other, almost no impact. I would guess the truth is some impact; 6 billion alive today and well over that having lived and died since the industrial revolution began. Assuming man's effect is cumulative, that is a whole lot of humanity's activities to dismiss as insignificant.

Have read most of the links, also did some more looking on my own, and it strikes me that few on the side of insignificant impact deal with the toxicity of human-activity contributed green house gasses, deforestation, and other sources of pollution.

One site said water vapor is the most abundant gas in the atmosphere and it has been unaffected by human activity. However, just as a little strychnine in a large pail of water can render it undrinkable, it seems to me the human contribution need not be large to be significant.

Certainly the cycle is naturally-based, but I do belive human activity resulting in greenhouse gasses and deforestation will cause it to be more extreme than past cycles.

In any event, the effects of a warming cycle will have a greater impact on humans than in the past. 1, there are more of us. 2, We feed more people from less arable land. Anthing that threattens to decrease arable land will have repercussions. 3, We are more concentrated in smaller areas, so natural events, like Hurricane Katrina, will affect far more people than in previous cycles. 4, A large majority of our large cities, transportation systems, and energy generation systems (including refineries) are at or near sea level, particulary nuclear plants, often sited along rivers due to water needed for cooling towers. When - not if - the sea level rises, these infrastructures and people will be forced to relocate, resulting in the biggest migration of humans in Earth's history.

Seems to me that a couse of action aimed at minimizing, or reducing, the consequences of the warming cycle is worth looking at.

Taking action to reduce greenhouse gases and deforestation is a win-win situation; if wrong we get a cleaner Earth and extend our energy resources, if right, we get a cleaner Earth and lessen the effects of the warming cycle on Earth's inhabitants.

So, we do something or do nothing. I come down on the side of doing something.

[pggg]

Well put Jerry, now, please haul your a##es outta Iraq tomorrow - and start spending those saved trillions of dollars on activities that benefit the whole world..

[tommystinson]

OHHH BOY! I just stumbled onto this thread. One phrase I use in daily life: "This has the potential to end poorly". And now I jump in!
Cody (MAXIMAN) rocks! Pun intended, of course. Global warming is a complete crock of s**t. Although I should clarify that ANTHROPOGENIC global warming is a crock of s**t. Does anyone really need to chart past temperatures and CO2 levels? Frankly, all the effing kool-aid drinkers wouldn't face reality anyway. Along with the constant media barrage, all of the smack talk dredged up by the recent 30th "Earth Day"/communist party gathering is revisionist BS. Google Paul Erlich. He was the one at the first earth day spouting off about the coming ice age and the tens of millions who would die of starvation by the late 80's. IN AMERICA! Not only has he been consistently, absolutely WRONG, he's also a [self edited for language]. The "Green" movement is chock full of communists and socialists intent on the redistribution of wealth. They aren't "Green", they're Watermelons. Green on the outside, Red on the inside. Carbon Credits?! I'm giving you money for what?!
Anthropogenic global warming has already been debunked. The cud chewing imbeciles who lack any critical thinking skills will come around in the next five years or so. Kudos to Cody for mentioning Dr. Lindzen. The best summary of all the science AND B.S. (IMHO) is Steve Milloy's website, www.junkscience.com


For all of the granola eaters/kool-aid drinkers, I issue a challenge: I will consume two fluid ounces of pure DDT mixed in one glass of water. After which you will touch a Q-tip dabbed in a "pure and natural" substance of my choosing (botulinum toxin) on your tongue. Then I will follow up with a Grey Goose and DDT cocktail and await your rebuttal. PM me for my number, I'm sure we can rally a couple of XSsives as witnesses. Oh, bring the title and registation of your bike, please. And sign it beforehand, if you would.

[pggg]

Botulinum toxin factories, mmm... could have a good future..

[MAXIMAN]

Tommy good point.

It is a fact that CO2 levels today pale in comparison to the levels of CO2 in the atmosphere during the Carboniferous period....some 5 fold greater than what it is today. What caused that...350 mybp?

At the Siluro-Ordivician boundary there was a HUGE ice age (450 mybp million years before present) Yet we know via proxy calculation the CO2 concentration then was much higher than today. How can that be? I thought CO2 was the boogie man?

You'll never hear this from the kook fringe like Al Gore. geoscientists have known it for quite awhile.

The envirowacks are trying to get CO2 classified as a POLLUTANT! This would be laughable except....ITS SICK. So I guess that mean every creature on the planet will be required to install a catalytic converter on their mouths to rectify their exhaust? ROFLMAO! What about the ocean...the single biggest contributor of CO2. Are we going to start taxing the creatures of the sea?


JERRY - I can side with you. I have no problem with the "nothing to loose" position. We ALL want a clean earth. And I think we all know ... must needs dictates we manage our natural resources wisely. That is not even the issue.

The issue is the premise. If we want to clean up our act fine. Let's be honest about it and just say we need to clean up our emmissions and save energy.

What galls me is using a shill like anthropagenic global warming to scare people into it. The ends DOES NOT justify the means. And in the process science is taking a black eye from idiots like Al Gore and the extremists that are forming "science" ( if you could call it that) into a weapon to threaten people into living a certain way. That is just WRONG! Science is the pursuit of truth through knowledge. There is no room for politics or religion in science. Science is objective. Science is NOT hysterical. Science makes observsations and draws hypothesis from these using reason and logic...NOT hype and hysteria. Science historically has included ALL the data...the big picture if you will.

However the presupposed "scientists" that are force feeding the idea of man made global warming on an unsuspecting publicare intentionally ignoring the Inconvienient Truths of earth's history acting as if the cycle of global warming is something new to man's fault. In fact it has been going on for hundreds of millions of years and to a degree far and away greater than what we have ever seen today.

[pggg]

In the year 2525 - if man is still alive

[MAXIMAN]

Hehehehe...Zager and Evans were from Lincoln, Nebraska. But the hit "In the Year 2525 (Exordium and Terminus)" was made popular at a radio station on my home turf; Odessa, Texas.

[xschop]

BT factories.....now that's funny, when they ACTUALLY EXIST and it is backed by the FDA ( your tax dollars) so you can look pretty at the ripe old age of 70 and make the Allergan Co. rich....

[oseaghdha]

Odessa?

Originally posted by MAXIMAN
Hehehehe...Zager and Evans were from Lincoln, Nebraska. But the hit "In the Year 2525 (Exordium and Terminus)" was made popular at a radio station on my home turf; Odessa, Texas.

I should have known.
I grew up in the Permian Basin, lived(?) in Odessa for a while. Crikey, what an armpit that place is.

[tommystinson]

Classifying CO2 as a pollutant allows the kooks something they desperately want. Power via control. Telling others, businesses and individuals, how much CO2 they are "allowed" to generate controls everything they do or are capable of doing. It is a fundamental attack on the right to private property. Yes you own "X" land, "X" device, "X" company, but you will use it how we tell you to because CO2 production affects everyone and can destroy our planet. The hypocrisy is already evident, as demonstrated by Algore. He's allowed to consume the energy used by thirty average households and fly around in private jets because he's more important than you or me. He IS saving the planet after all! Having natural gas lamp posts lining his driveway and burning 24/7 is OK because he is the high priest of Anthropogenic Global Warming. It's just like Communism because it's good enough for the unwashed masses, but the leaders get the perks and privileges. All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others. Paraphrased from Animal Farm, of course.

Make no mistake, the enviros salivate at establishing their own version of Sharia Law. Unassailable not because of Allah, but the needs of Gaia. Just like Islam, a handful of priests will interpret what the true meaning is, and what the Law will be. Of course they'll be making up new B.S., er, laws as they go along. Good thing that the "science" that is "universally accepted" is crumbling like the house of cards that it is.

[mro]

a handful of priests will interpret what the true meaning is, and what the Law will be.

That sorta sums up the history of man


mro