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  • Banshee's Veil
    Truly XSive
    • Sep 2020
    • 104

    #1

    5.2k rpm wall.

    Hello,

    I have begun the final touches on my xs1100sh. I'm having the following issues that I cant wrap my head around:

    1. Whenever I give it WOT she accelerates nicely but then stutters and continues to climb in rpm. The stutter is regardless of gear.

    2. Cylinders 1,3 and 4 are rich. Cylinder 2 is either lean or perfect because the plug is clean. I have rebuilt the carbs inside and out and set the floats properly to the last 0.01". Slides functioning fine. Running 115 mains on all jets w/stock pilots.

    3. Intermittent Tach. Some days it works some days it doesn't.

    Aside from the tach. I'm thinking either coil or vacuum advance issues. Thoughts?

  • bikerphil
    Master of XSology
    • Jan 2008
    • 8640
    • South Flori-DUH

    #2
    If you have pod filters, take a short ride with them off or remove the bottom of the air box. It sounds like you have restricted air flow. For the tach, alternator plug may need cleaning. Bad signal will cause tach malfunction.
    2H7 (79) owned since '89
    3H3 owned since '06

    "If it ain't broke, modify it"

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    • cajun31
      Moderator
      • Oct 2003
      • 1798
      • Brandon, MS

      #3
      Originally posted by Banshee's Veil
      Hello,

      I have begun the final touches on my xs1100sh. I'm having the following issues that I cant wrap my head around:

      1. Whenever I give it WOT she accelerates nicely but then stutters and continues to climb in rpm. The stutter is regardless of gear.

      2. Cylinders 1,3 and 4 are rich. Cylinder 2 is either lean or perfect because the plug is clean. I have rebuilt the carbs inside and out and set the floats properly to the last 0.01". Slides functioning fine. Running 115 mains on all jets w/stock pilots.

      3. Intermittent Tach. Some days it works some days it doesn't.

      Aside from the tach. I'm thinking either coil or vacuum advance issues. Thoughts?
      You never stated what bike you have. It is a good idea to list it in your signature so it will show up in your post. I had a stumble on one of mine and after looking at everything I discovered a split in my hose that went from my vacuum advance to my number two carb. Once I fixed that the problem went away. I have also experienced dirty carbs that resulted in no top end, but you already stated that you have thoroughly cleaned them so I would rule that out. As Phil stated tell us more about your bike and you will end up with better suggestions.
      2 - 80 LGs bought one new
      81 LH
      02 FXSTB Nighttrain
      22 FLTRK Road Glide Limited
      Jim

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      • DiverRay
        Moderator
        • Nov 2004
        • 7608
        • Star, IDAHO

        #4
        He has an HS, as stated in the first post. I'm with Phil, try it without pods if that is what you are running. If you have the stock airbox, and the stock coils, the coils would be my next guess. Probably working OK at lower RPM but will not work at the higher RPM because of less time to "recharge".
        Ray Matteis
        KE6NHG
        XS1100 E '78 (winter project)
        XS1100 SF Bob Jones worked on it!

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        • Socer4m
          XStremely XSive
          • Sep 2020
          • 231
          • san diego

          #5
          could be the famous PICKUP COIL wires,,,,pop off the cover, jiggle and pull the wires while running, if it starts misfiring its the wires,,,,,,,,,,easy fix. Also, check your plug wires to make sure they are not grounding out to the engine, start in ta dark area and jiggle with insulated pliers, unless you are brave,,,any sparking its time for a new plug wire...I have had both of these problems over the years and seems parallel to what you are having,,,,Good luck and let us know the progress, Mike in San Diego, Cantafordya

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          • Banshee's Veil
            Truly XSive
            • Sep 2020
            • 104

            #6
            Originally posted by bikerphil
            If you have pod filters, take a short ride with them off or remove the bottom of the air box. It sounds like you have restricted air flow. For the tach, alternator plug may need cleaning. Bad signal will cause tach malfunction.
            Where is the alternator plug?

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            • Banshee's Veil
              Truly XSive
              • Sep 2020
              • 104

              #7
              Originally posted by Socer4m
              could be the famous PICKUP COIL wires,,,,pop off the cover, jiggle and pull the wires while running, if it starts misfiring its the wires,,,,,,,,,,easy fix. Also, check your plug wires to make sure they are not grounding out to the engine, start in ta dark area and jiggle with insulated pliers, unless you are brave,,,any sparking its time for a new plug wire...I have had both of these problems over the years and seems parallel to what you are having,,,,Good luck and let us know the progress, Mike in San Diego, Cantafordya
              I have looked at this and they looked brand new. I jiggled them around with the bike on and nothing.

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              • bikerphil
                Master of XSology
                • Jan 2008
                • 8640
                • South Flori-DUH

                #8
                Alternator plug is behind the fuse panel, disconnect the battery before trying to access. If you remove the 3 screws, the flasher relay and the large lower wire on the solenoid, the panel should flip upward and the plug with 3 white wires is back there.
                2H7 (79) owned since '89
                3H3 owned since '06

                "If it ain't broke, modify it"

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                • Socer4m
                  XStremely XSive
                  • Sep 2020
                  • 231
                  • san diego

                  #9
                  I am assuming you checked the pickup wires and they are ok,,,so,,,maybe try spraying wd40, or carb cleaner around the carb manifolds while running, if any missing there is a vac leak at the one you are spraying, also check to see that the gas lines are not pinched and hope you have inline gas filters and they are clean,,,,keep on diagnosing......

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                  • Bonz
                    XS-XJ Super Guru
                    • Apr 2008
                    • 3206
                    • Palmer Lake, Colorado

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Banshee's Veil

                    I have looked at this and they looked brand new. I jiggled them around with the bike on and nothing.
                    Pick-up coil wires will look brand new even if they have broken inside of the sheath. You have to pull on the wire from the ends and see if the sheath stretches at any given point. That is where the break is. That is typically done with the bike not running. Jiggling them while the bike is running potentially won’t reveal an issue, it’s when the advance unit rotates that the wire gets stretched and stressed and will cause the intermittent issue.

                    Last edited by Bonz; 05-10-2021, 06:55 PM.
                    Howard

                    ZRX1200

                    BTW, ZRX carbs have the same spacing as the XS11... http://www.xs11.com/forum/showthread.php?t=35462

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                    • Banshee's Veil
                      Truly XSive
                      • Sep 2020
                      • 104

                      #11
                      I replaced vacuum line coming from the pot to carb 2 and I blew out the alternator plug. Tach works and no more rpm wall! Now I can synch and be good to go

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                      • bikerphil
                        Master of XSology
                        • Jan 2008
                        • 8640
                        • South Flori-DUH

                        #12
                        That's good news.
                        2H7 (79) owned since '89
                        3H3 owned since '06

                        "If it ain't broke, modify it"

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                        • Banshee's Veil
                          Truly XSive
                          • Sep 2020
                          • 104

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Banshee's Veil
                          I replaced vacuum line coming from the pot to carb 2 and I blew out the alternator plug. Tach works and no more rpm wall! Now I can synch and be good to go
                          I spoke too soon. Tach works now but still have the wall.

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                          • bikerphil
                            Master of XSology
                            • Jan 2008
                            • 8640
                            • South Flori-DUH

                            #14
                            Did you ever ride it with the pods off?
                            2H7 (79) owned since '89
                            3H3 owned since '06

                            "If it ain't broke, modify it"

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                            • Bax
                              XStremely XSive
                              • Jan 2016
                              • 344
                              • Merrimack, NH

                              #15
                              Hi Banshee, I've had a similar symptom a while back. Carbs out of mixture balance after a cleaning was the cause. If I got to 5k on the pilot circuit it would flat line, if I got there on the mains, WOT, it would rip right to 8k. Not sure of your tune methods but your description of the plugs showing significantly different mixtures may want to revisit the pilot screw settings.

                              ---Bax
                              80 SG, --- Slightly modified with EFI.....

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