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  • BA80
    Doctor of XSology
    • Oct 2010
    • 9980
    • Tulsa, Ok

    #1

    1980 carb float setting

    What do y'all se your G and SG floats at? The book says 23mm but that's way too high, I have them set at 24mm now but it still floods when sitting with the engine off and it loads up at stop lights.

    Gonna try 25mm next.
    Greg

    Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”

    ― Albert Einstein

    80 SG Ol' Okie;79 engine & carbs w/pods, 45 pilots, 140 mains, Custom Mac 4 into 2 exhaust, ACCT,XS850 final drive,110/90/19 front tire,TKat fork brace, XS750 140 MPH speedometer, Vetter IV fairing, aftermarket hard bags and trunk, LG high back seat, XJ rear shocks.

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  • Schming
    XS-XJ Guru
    • Jul 2009
    • 2070
    • Pittsburgh,PA

    #2
    23mm

    I set my '80G at 23mm and the following pic is where my running fuel levels are:



    But I'm still dialin' her in and not sure if I'm too lean. I may raise the level a mm before I change any stock jetting.
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    • Ranger_xs1100
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      • Oct 2015
      • 716
      • Pittsburgh, PA.

      #3
      I set my LG at 23 and it seems to be fine.
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      • BA80
        Doctor of XSology
        • Oct 2010
        • 9980
        • Tulsa, Ok

        #4
        Pretty sure I have some leaky float valves. I got them set at 25mm now and it's still doing it. And yes, I did replace the O-rings on the valve seats.

        There is one float with some damage also that may be causing a problem.
        Greg

        Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”

        ― Albert Einstein

        80 SG Ol' Okie;79 engine & carbs w/pods, 45 pilots, 140 mains, Custom Mac 4 into 2 exhaust, ACCT,XS850 final drive,110/90/19 front tire,TKat fork brace, XS750 140 MPH speedometer, Vetter IV fairing, aftermarket hard bags and trunk, LG high back seat, XJ rear shocks.

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        • skids
          XS-XJ Super Guru
          • Jul 2002
          • 5047
          • Florissant, CO, USA

          #5
          Originally posted by BA80
          What do y'all se your G and SG floats at? The book says 23mm but that's way too high, I have them set at 24mm now but it still floods when sitting with the engine off and it loads up at stop lights.

          Gonna try 25mm next.
          Joe, next time, turn them right-side-up and blow into the fuel supply hoses. If they are sealing, you will probably know it.

          Other things are,
          1. Leaking seals/o rings for specials at the fuel valve in the carbs,
          2. Blocked breather lines for older carbs, Note: you can't use a newer air box with older carbs and hook up vent hoses to the air box nipples.
          3. Floats not able to function correctly due to contact with gasket or other,
          4. Crusty float pivot action,
          5. Debris on fuel valve or other reason for seal failure,
          6. Pin of fuel valve needle is sticking (leaking valve).
          Skids (Sid Hansen)

          Down to one 1978 E. Stock air box with K&N filter, 81H pipes and carbs, 8500 feet elevation.

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          • BA80
            Doctor of XSology
            • Oct 2010
            • 9980
            • Tulsa, Ok

            #6
            Originally posted by skids
            Joe, next time, turn them right-side-up and blow into the fuel supply hoses. If they are sealing, you will probably know it.

            Other things are,
            1. Leaking seals/o rings for specials at the fuel valve in the carbs,
            2. Blocked breather lines for older carbs, Note: you can't use a newer air box with older carbs and hook up vent hoses to the air box nipples.
            3. Floats not able to function correctly due to contact with gasket or other,
            4. Crusty float pivot action,
            5. Debris on fuel valve or other reason for seal failure,
            6. Pin of fuel valve needle is sticking (leaking valve).
            LOL.....I ain't Joe.

            I cleaned these carbs quite well and replaced the o rings as I said. Everything mentioned has been checked. Using old parts though.
            Greg

            Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”

            ― Albert Einstein

            80 SG Ol' Okie;79 engine & carbs w/pods, 45 pilots, 140 mains, Custom Mac 4 into 2 exhaust, ACCT,XS850 final drive,110/90/19 front tire,TKat fork brace, XS750 140 MPH speedometer, Vetter IV fairing, aftermarket hard bags and trunk, LG high back seat, XJ rear shocks.

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            • HalfCentury
              XStremely XSive
              • Oct 2015
              • 408
              • Burlington NC

              #7
              Originally posted by BA80
              What do y'all se your G and SG floats at? The book says 23mm but that's way too high, I have them set at 24mm now but it still floods when sitting with the engine off and it loads up at stop lights.

              Gonna try 25mm next.
              Flooding sounds like the seat/needle seal is leaking. You know more about this than lots of people. Did you replace all the soft parts?
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              • BA80
                Doctor of XSology
                • Oct 2010
                • 9980
                • Tulsa, Ok

                #8
                Originally posted by HalfCentury
                Flooding sounds like the seat/needle seal is leaking. You know more about this than lots of people. Did you replace all the soft parts?
                Old valves. See post #6
                Greg

                Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”

                ― Albert Einstein

                80 SG Ol' Okie;79 engine & carbs w/pods, 45 pilots, 140 mains, Custom Mac 4 into 2 exhaust, ACCT,XS850 final drive,110/90/19 front tire,TKat fork brace, XS750 140 MPH speedometer, Vetter IV fairing, aftermarket hard bags and trunk, LG high back seat, XJ rear shocks.

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                • MPittma100
                  XS-XJ Guru
                  • Aug 2011
                  • 2359
                  • Atlanta, GA.

                  #9
                  Float setting

                  Hi Greg AKA Joe,

                  I've had the best results with the highest float setting. I've also found, when using the tubes for checking, that it verifies the need for the highest setting. The last Venturer carbs I did needed a little more than spec to get proper tube level. And it does appear that some new float valves are needed.

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                  • RichW1064
                    XSive
                    • Aug 2016
                    • 79
                    • Hardy Dam, MI.

                    #10
                    isn't there a carburetor-less float solution..? seems to me, oh several years back I recall hearing about the "electron carb"... am I the only one to hear of this thing? had one on a old 85 dirt bike, worked well, but cant seem to find them anywhere... was I dreaming or in a state of wishington..?
                    Last edited by RichW1064; 08-27-2016, 11:35 PM. Reason: uhm...
                    79_xs1100special

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                    • skids
                      XS-XJ Super Guru
                      • Jul 2002
                      • 5047
                      • Florissant, CO, USA

                      #11
                      Originally posted by BA80
                      LOL.....I ain't Joe.

                      I cleaned these carbs quite well and replaced the o rings as I said. Everything mentioned has been checked. Using old parts though.
                      Sorry Greg! ...and Joe.
                      Skids (Sid Hansen)

                      Down to one 1978 E. Stock air box with K&N filter, 81H pipes and carbs, 8500 feet elevation.

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                      • BA80
                        Doctor of XSology
                        • Oct 2010
                        • 9980
                        • Tulsa, Ok

                        #12
                        Originally posted by MPittma100
                        YOU COMING TO XSSE?
                        Not looking good Mike. I got the time off work but other factors are not working out.
                        Greg

                        Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”

                        ― Albert Einstein

                        80 SG Ol' Okie;79 engine & carbs w/pods, 45 pilots, 140 mains, Custom Mac 4 into 2 exhaust, ACCT,XS850 final drive,110/90/19 front tire,TKat fork brace, XS750 140 MPH speedometer, Vetter IV fairing, aftermarket hard bags and trunk, LG high back seat, XJ rear shocks.

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                        • MPittma100
                          XS-XJ Guru
                          • Aug 2011
                          • 2359
                          • Atlanta, GA.

                          #13
                          Xsse

                          Originally posted by BA80
                          Not looking good Mike. I got the time off work but other factors are not working out.
                          I'm sure you will continue to try. Good luck. Hope it works out for you. Charlie Haas, Bohn Frazer, and maybe Karla Jones (The Jones Gang) are going to attend.
                          Last edited by MPittma100; 08-28-2016, 06:56 PM.
                          1981 XS1100H Venturer
                          K&N Air Filter
                          ACCT
                          Custom Paint by Deitz
                          Geezer Rectifier/Regulator
                          Chacal Stainless Steel Braided Brake Lines
                          Chrome Front Rotor & Caliper Covers
                          Stebel Nautilus Horn
                          EBC Front Rotors
                          Limie Accent Moves On In 2015

                          Mike

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                          • mack
                            XS-XJ Guru
                            • Sep 2009
                            • 2411
                            • Ontario, Canada

                            #14
                            Greg

                            I feel for you man. I've had some that just will not hold. I had set of LG carbs I was going to sell to Dwayne Potter but I couldn't get them to stop leaking. The inlet valves would hold for a few hours then randomly leak over night. Drove me crazy because it wasn't the same one that would leak at any given time. I've been working with Mike at Jets R Us to determine what the real numbers for genuine mikuni carb are. We have determined that their charts are incorrect and that while the site says "genuine mikuni" they are in fact mostly packaged by K&L. As a side note K&L IS just a packaging company not a brand name so they buy in bulk at the cheapest price ans what you get may be from china, Pakistan, Chec republic or mexico. You'll find that the needle heights can change dramatically:



                            For the 1980/81 carbs the only one that would seat and seal properly is the 18-4676 but it may come without the mikuni stamp and in fact be a K&L imposter ($8.99 makes me suspicious because you look at all the other mikuni seats and they are three times that price) and not seal. So the 007-503 number is actually a threaded seat. My advice is to state quite firmly that you only want 18-4676 that are in fact genuine mikuni with the stamp! The other issue is that mike won't have any in until mid September so I'm waiting for twelve myself.
                            mack
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                            • mack
                              XS-XJ Guru
                              • Sep 2009
                              • 2411
                              • Ontario, Canada

                              #15
                              Greg

                              don't be put off that the pictures show metal needles, it just happens that it was the only picure I had handy on photo bucket. It's the same issue with the viton tips. I had some of mine at 27mm with the tang almost bent straight down and they still wouldn't seal properly for long.
                              mack
                              79 XS 1100 SF Special
                              HERMES
                              original owner
                              http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps6932d5df.jpg

                              81 XS 1100 LH MNS
                              SPICA
                              http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/mack-055/2.jpg

                              78 XS 11E
                              IOTA
                              https://youtu.be/wB5Jfbp6SUc
                              https://youtu.be/RaI3WYHSuWA



                              Have recovery trailer and shop if you breakdown in my area.
                              Frankford, Ont, Canada
                              613-398-6186

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