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  • bikerphil
    Master of XSology
    • Jan 2008
    • 8634
    • South Flori-DUH

    #16
    Take the shim out, look at the number printed on the bottom, put one in with a number that is less, take your measurement and determine the correct number needed.
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    • MPittma100
      XS-XJ Guru
      • Aug 2011
      • 2359
      • Atlanta, GA.

      #17
      Valves

      Originally posted by coolbikr4684
      When replacing the shims and valve adjustment, how do I do it if the shims are tight. All the threads I find mention I measure the space between but my thinnest shim won't even go in.
      As the valve seats wear, the valves go UP in the cylinder head.
      This closes the lash gap. That is why the lash gets smaller. We are programed to think just the opposite.

      A special tool and a selection of shims is needed to perform the valve adjustments. When performing this repair, always turn the engine by hand. Do NOT use the starter to turn engine while adjusting valves.

      Here is a link to the procedure:



      Some enthusiasts say to remove the cams to adjust valves - a totally incorrect procedure.
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      • coolbikr4684
        XSive
        • Dec 2015
        • 33
        • Rosamond, CA.

        #18
        Can I still drive my xs if the valves are tight? I drive 14 miles to and from work and won't be able to work on the valves into Sunday.
        1979 XS1100SF

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        • MadHatter4119
          Truly XSive
          • Nov 2014
          • 137
          • Baltimore, MD.

          #19
          That's a good question...If I remember correctly...I would say you shouldn't drive it...But I never own a inline 4 engine before...Doesn't the engine run hotter if they are tight...I have always been told a little valve chatter noise is far better than them being tight...Your Call
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          • BA80
            Doctor of XSology
            • Oct 2010
            • 9980
            • Tulsa, Ok

            #20
            Originally posted by coolbikr4684
            When replacing the shims and valve adjustment, how do I do it if the shims are tight. All the threads I find mention I measure the space between but my thinnest shim won't even go in.
            Are you measuring them correctly? 180º opposite the highest point on the lobe where it contacts the shim?
            Greg

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            • coolbikr4684
              XSive
              • Dec 2015
              • 33
              • Rosamond, CA.

              #21
              I'm pretty sure I measured correctly. Well than I will keep it parked until Sunday
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              • BA80
                Doctor of XSology
                • Oct 2010
                • 9980
                • Tulsa, Ok

                #22
                Originally posted by coolbikr4684
                I'm pretty sure I measured correctly. Well than I will keep it parked until Sunday
                If they are all that tight you could burn a valve.

                Greg

                Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”

                ― Albert Einstein

                80 SG Ol' Okie;79 engine & carbs w/pods, 45 pilots, 140 mains, Custom Mac 4 into 2 exhaust, ACCT,XS850 final drive,110/90/19 front tire,TKat fork brace, XS750 140 MPH speedometer, Vetter IV fairing, aftermarket hard bags and trunk, LG high back seat, XJ rear shocks.

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                • coolbikr4684
                  XSive
                  • Dec 2015
                  • 33
                  • Rosamond, CA.

                  #23
                  When measuring for the shims all my valves are tight so ho do I measure for the correct size? I'm guessing I have to remove the shim and than measure with no shim installed and do the math from there. I just want to make sure I'm measuring correctly before I dive into it and start it.
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                  • BA80
                    Doctor of XSology
                    • Oct 2010
                    • 9980
                    • Tulsa, Ok

                    #24
                    Greg

                    Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”

                    ― Albert Einstein

                    80 SG Ol' Okie;79 engine & carbs w/pods, 45 pilots, 140 mains, Custom Mac 4 into 2 exhaust, ACCT,XS850 final drive,110/90/19 front tire,TKat fork brace, XS750 140 MPH speedometer, Vetter IV fairing, aftermarket hard bags and trunk, LG high back seat, XJ rear shocks.

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                    • Bonz
                      XS-XJ Super Guru
                      • Apr 2008
                      • 3206
                      • Palmer Lake, Colorado

                      #25
                      Back to the fuel filters... If your in tank filter towers are in good condition, the paper filters do nothing. Bikes have been run decades and decades and decades with the filter towers in the tank. If stuff is getting through the tank filters, assuming they are in good condition, you have bigger problems!
                      Howard

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                      BTW, ZRX carbs have the same spacing as the XS11... http://www.xs11.com/forum/showthread.php?t=35462

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                      • BA80
                        Doctor of XSology
                        • Oct 2010
                        • 9980
                        • Tulsa, Ok

                        #26
                        Originally posted by Bonz
                        Back to the fuel filters... If your in tank filter towers are in good condition, the paper filters do nothing. Bikes have been run decades and decades and decades with the filter towers in the tank. If stuff is getting through the tank filters, assuming they are in good condition, you have bigger problems!
                        I run some little lawn mower filters anyway. Peace of mind.

                        Greg

                        Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”

                        ― Albert Einstein

                        80 SG Ol' Okie;79 engine & carbs w/pods, 45 pilots, 140 mains, Custom Mac 4 into 2 exhaust, ACCT,XS850 final drive,110/90/19 front tire,TKat fork brace, XS750 140 MPH speedometer, Vetter IV fairing, aftermarket hard bags and trunk, LG high back seat, XJ rear shocks.

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                        • coolbikr4684
                          XSive
                          • Dec 2015
                          • 33
                          • Rosamond, CA.

                          #27
                          So my shims weren't as tight as I originally thought there was clearance but minimally.
                          E1 .008 Y285
                          E2 .008 Y285
                          E3 .008 Y285
                          E4 .008 Y280

                          I1 .005 Y280
                          I2 .006 Y275
                          I3 .006 Y275
                          I4 .005 Y275

                          If I follow the chart that I have on some of the threads I would need to change to
                          1 E275
                          2 E275
                          3 E275
                          4 E270

                          1 I265
                          2 I265
                          3 I265
                          4 I270

                          Just want to confirm before I go and buy/exchange some
                          1979 XS1100SF

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                          • coolbikr4684
                            XSive
                            • Dec 2015
                            • 33
                            • Rosamond, CA.

                            #28
                            So I messed up the numbers on the previous post. I mixed up mm and inches, good thing I always measure twice and cut once.

                            So my shims weren't as tight as I originally thought there was clearance but minimally. Measurements were done in inches.
                            E1 .008 Y285
                            E2 .008 Y285
                            E3 .008 Y285
                            E4 .008 Y280

                            I1 .005 Y280
                            I2 .006 Y275
                            I3 .006 Y275
                            I4 .005 Y285

                            If I follow the chart that I have seen on some of the threads I would need to change to
                            E1 280
                            E2 280
                            E3 280
                            E4 265

                            I1 275
                            I2 260
                            I3 260
                            I4 280

                            Just want to confirm before I go and buy/exchange them.
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                            1979 XS1100SF

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                            • BA80
                              Doctor of XSology
                              • Oct 2010
                              • 9980
                              • Tulsa, Ok

                              #29
                              each shim size = .002 in.
                              Greg

                              Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”

                              ― Albert Einstein

                              80 SG Ol' Okie;79 engine & carbs w/pods, 45 pilots, 140 mains, Custom Mac 4 into 2 exhaust, ACCT,XS850 final drive,110/90/19 front tire,TKat fork brace, XS750 140 MPH speedometer, Vetter IV fairing, aftermarket hard bags and trunk, LG high back seat, XJ rear shocks.

                              The list changes.

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