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    OK y'all, I've got an issue I hope someone else has had and figured it out.

    Ever since I've had this 2H7 engine in my bike I've had a small stumble just as the power kicked in, I'm sure some of you might remember me mentioning it on the site before. It has gotten MUCH worse over the last few weeks.

    The first real problem I had was in Colorado at elevations over 8000Ft. At those altitudes I could not use full throttle, only 2/3 or 3/4, over that and the engine would just flatten out and start popping through the intake and exhaust. Less throttle and it was normal and below those altitudes it was normal.

    Now 3 months later the stumble has become much longer but it will eventually push through it and it takes off. But, now even at near sea level here in Oklahoma full throttle flattens out and there is mild popping from the intake and exhaust.

    What I've done since Colorado to try and cure the issue to no avail is 1; replaced the plugs twice 2; swapped out the carbs 3 times with different jetting combos (pilots and mains) including a completely stock setup. Not just gone through them but 3 completely different sets, 3; Changed out the centrifugal advance assembly with a brand new NOS 79 unit. 4; Checked base timing and moved it both ways to test. 5; Replaced the coils with 81 3 ohm and eliminated the ballast resistor. This is suspect to me because it is the first thing (other than plugs) that I did and it seemed to help at first but the issue has become gradually worse since.

    Yes Brant, I did check the voltages and they seem normal. 2/10 of a volt loss at the coils and TCI with all other fuses pulled.

    I'm fixing to swap out the TCI and see if that makes a difference. I'll check pick up coil resistance at the box at the same time. If that doesn't work I'll try a different set of coils.

    Anyone else been here before?
    Greg

    Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”

    ― Albert Einstein

    80 SG Ol' Okie;79 engine & carbs w/pods, 45 pilots, 140 mains, Custom Mac 4 into 2 exhaust, ACCT,XS850 final drive,110/90/19 front tire,TKat fork brace, XS750 140 MPH speedometer, Vetter IV fairing, aftermarket hard bags and trunk, LG high back seat, XJ rear shocks.

    The list changes.

  • #2
    I had issues with Betsy several years ago that I swore were carb related. Stumbling at low rpms, backfiring, wouldn't push to redline, etc. I kept diddling with the carbs but the problem wound up being the coils.

    I just flat don't trust 35 year old coils. Mostly because the wires are integral to the coils, and 35 year old high tension wires just aren't a good thing. When I took the stock coils off Betsy I thought I'd keep them, and I put them in a 3lb coffee can. I had to bend the wires to get 'em in the can, and when I did they snapped clean in two.

    You can graft new wires into old coils, but it's kind of a PITA and the 81's are the most difficult because it not only requires grinding on the coil, but you've also got to solder a wire. And no matter what you do to them they're still only 15Kv coils.

    Personally I'm a big fan of the Dyna DC1-1's. 30Kv, brand new high tension wires and non-resistor ends, and no more trouble out of my coils. JAT
    I think I have a loose screw behind the handlebars.

    '79 XS11 Standard, Jardine 4/1, Dyna DC1-1 Coils, 145 mains, 45 pilots, plastic floats - 25.7mm, XV920 fuel valves, inline fuel filters, speed bleeders, Mikes XS pods, spade-type fuse block, fork brace, progressive fork springs/shocks, manual petcocks, 750 FD, Venture cam chain tensioner, SS brake lines

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    • #3
      I've considered buying a set of Dyna Coils if that turns out to be the issue. I can get a new set w/wires on fleabay for about $140.
      Greg

      Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”

      ― Albert Einstein

      80 SG Ol' Okie;79 engine & carbs w/pods, 45 pilots, 140 mains, Custom Mac 4 into 2 exhaust, ACCT,XS850 final drive,110/90/19 front tire,TKat fork brace, XS750 140 MPH speedometer, Vetter IV fairing, aftermarket hard bags and trunk, LG high back seat, XJ rear shocks.

      The list changes.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by BA80 View Post
        I've considered buying a set of Dyna Coils if that turns out to be the issue. I can get a new set w/wires on fleabay for about $140.
        That's not a bad deal with the wires included. Caps too? I got mine from Z1 Enterprises for $130 plus shipping without the wires. I use regular old solid core automotive wires on mine with NGK non-resistor caps. You can get the NGK non-res caps at O'Reilly auto parts for $1.39 ea.
        I think I have a loose screw behind the handlebars.

        '79 XS11 Standard, Jardine 4/1, Dyna DC1-1 Coils, 145 mains, 45 pilots, plastic floats - 25.7mm, XV920 fuel valves, inline fuel filters, speed bleeders, Mikes XS pods, spade-type fuse block, fork brace, progressive fork springs/shocks, manual petcocks, 750 FD, Venture cam chain tensioner, SS brake lines

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        • #5
          http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dyna-Ignitio...6d492c&vxp=mtr

          Swapped the TCI and checked the pickups at the box. 720 ohms and 750 ohms.

          No difference.
          Last edited by BA80; 09-12-2015, 10:38 AM.
          Greg

          Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”

          ― Albert Einstein

          80 SG Ol' Okie;79 engine & carbs w/pods, 45 pilots, 140 mains, Custom Mac 4 into 2 exhaust, ACCT,XS850 final drive,110/90/19 front tire,TKat fork brace, XS750 140 MPH speedometer, Vetter IV fairing, aftermarket hard bags and trunk, LG high back seat, XJ rear shocks.

          The list changes.

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          • #6
            Now I've checked the air gap on the pick ups and swapped out the coils.

            No joy

            What now, mechanical? Maybe a stretched timing chain?

            Everybody don't talk at once! I'm running out of ideas here. Don't be afraid to throw one out.
            Greg

            Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”

            ― Albert Einstein

            80 SG Ol' Okie;79 engine & carbs w/pods, 45 pilots, 140 mains, Custom Mac 4 into 2 exhaust, ACCT,XS850 final drive,110/90/19 front tire,TKat fork brace, XS750 140 MPH speedometer, Vetter IV fairing, aftermarket hard bags and trunk, LG high back seat, XJ rear shocks.

            The list changes.

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            • #7
              When you say you swapped out the coils did you mean the ignition coils or the pickup coils?
              I think I have a loose screw behind the handlebars.

              '79 XS11 Standard, Jardine 4/1, Dyna DC1-1 Coils, 145 mains, 45 pilots, plastic floats - 25.7mm, XV920 fuel valves, inline fuel filters, speed bleeders, Mikes XS pods, spade-type fuse block, fork brace, progressive fork springs/shocks, manual petcocks, 750 FD, Venture cam chain tensioner, SS brake lines

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              • #8
                Ignition coils. I checked the ohms on the pick ups at the TCI and posted the results.
                Greg

                Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”

                ― Albert Einstein

                80 SG Ol' Okie;79 engine & carbs w/pods, 45 pilots, 140 mains, Custom Mac 4 into 2 exhaust, ACCT,XS850 final drive,110/90/19 front tire,TKat fork brace, XS750 140 MPH speedometer, Vetter IV fairing, aftermarket hard bags and trunk, LG high back seat, XJ rear shocks.

                The list changes.

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                • #9
                  What kind of ignition coils did you swap in?
                  I think I have a loose screw behind the handlebars.

                  '79 XS11 Standard, Jardine 4/1, Dyna DC1-1 Coils, 145 mains, 45 pilots, plastic floats - 25.7mm, XV920 fuel valves, inline fuel filters, speed bleeders, Mikes XS pods, spade-type fuse block, fork brace, progressive fork springs/shocks, manual petcocks, 750 FD, Venture cam chain tensioner, SS brake lines

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                  • #10
                    Ok, I've had a couple beers so excuse me if I ask something already addressed. If you are saying it's fine at idle and up to mid throttle?? And then popping above that??? Is one of the cam lobes worn??? Just a guess.
                    79 F full cruiser, stainless brake lines, spade fuses, Accel coils, modded air box w/larger velocity stacks, 750 FD.
                    79 SF parts bike.

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                    • #11
                      Vacuum advance bearing? Compression.. maybe valve shim too tight?


                      Need me to just come stare at it and drink your beer?
                      Try your hardest to be the kind of person your dog thinks you are.

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                      Current bikes:
                      '06 Suzuki DR650
                      *'82 XJ1100 with the 1179 kit. "Mad Maxim"
                      '82 XJ1100 Completely stock fixer-upper
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                      '82 XJ1100 Parts bike
                      '81 XS1100 Special
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by dbeardslee View Post
                        What kind of ignition coils did you swap in?
                        Stock coils w/ballast resistor

                        Originally posted by red bandit View Post
                        Ok, I've had a couple beers so excuse me if I ask something already addressed. If you are saying it's fine at idle and up to mid throttle?? And then popping above that??? Is one of the cam lobes worn??? Just a guess.
                        Yes, it's fine until it's over 3/4 throttle then it falls all over itself until it pushes through whatever causes that and then goes like a bat outa hell. But, if I WOT at highway speed it falls flat on it's face and just gurgles. Doesn't speed up and doesn't slow down.
                        I just pulled the valve cover to check cam timing. Dead on. I'll be checking valve clearances as soon as it cools all the way down and I'll check the lobes also.

                        Originally posted by trbig View Post
                        Vacuum advance bearing? Compression.. maybe valve shim too tight?
                        Just replaced the plate and bearing. Compression seems fine, idles smooth and pulls strong as long as I don't go WOT. Got the valve cover off now investigating. Remember I said it started acting strange after I adjusted the valves last spring.

                        This has me stumped. Nothing seems wrong but it's jacked. Nothing I've done so far makes a bit of difference


                        Originally posted by trbig View Post
                        Need me to just come stare at it and drink your beer?
                        That's usually my job unless someone goes to take a nap in the middle of the day.
                        Greg

                        Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”

                        ― Albert Einstein

                        80 SG Ol' Okie;79 engine & carbs w/pods, 45 pilots, 140 mains, Custom Mac 4 into 2 exhaust, ACCT,XS850 final drive,110/90/19 front tire,TKat fork brace, XS750 140 MPH speedometer, Vetter IV fairing, aftermarket hard bags and trunk, LG high back seat, XJ rear shocks.

                        The list changes.

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                        • #13
                          check for dirty or clogged air filter?
                          1980 XS650G Special-Two
                          1993 Honda ST1100

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                          • #14
                            First thing. I've also switched to pods since this started.
                            Greg

                            Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”

                            ― Albert Einstein

                            80 SG Ol' Okie;79 engine & carbs w/pods, 45 pilots, 140 mains, Custom Mac 4 into 2 exhaust, ACCT,XS850 final drive,110/90/19 front tire,TKat fork brace, XS750 140 MPH speedometer, Vetter IV fairing, aftermarket hard bags and trunk, LG high back seat, XJ rear shocks.

                            The list changes.

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                            • #15
                              Looked at the cams and found some things I don't like the looks of. 3 or 4 of the lobes seem to be flaking and most all have a weird oval type wear pattern on the tips.

                              I measured them and compared to other cams I have and they don't seem to be worn though.




                              Greg

                              Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”

                              ― Albert Einstein

                              80 SG Ol' Okie;79 engine & carbs w/pods, 45 pilots, 140 mains, Custom Mac 4 into 2 exhaust, ACCT,XS850 final drive,110/90/19 front tire,TKat fork brace, XS750 140 MPH speedometer, Vetter IV fairing, aftermarket hard bags and trunk, LG high back seat, XJ rear shocks.

                              The list changes.

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