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  • #1

    crap....

    Last week when my battery went toast...I had been charging it for ant 2 hours when I checked it the battery was dry inside and pretty darned hot...so figured the battery was toast and ordered a new one..got it and installed ...turned the key and...nothing...no electrical comes on..so what else did i fry? I have no tools for troubleshooting electrical problems and I know nothing abt electrical stuff...gonna need some help on this one...
    1980 XS650G Special-Two
    1993 Honda ST1100
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  • #2
    Check the main power wire from the battery. That's the smaller red wire coming from the + side of the battery. Mine has broken a couple of times.

    Also, make sure all the fuses are good and making good contact. Did Randy put an upgraded fuse box on there?
    Greg

    Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”

    ― Albert Einstein

    80 SG Ol' Okie;79 engine & carbs w/pods, 45 pilots, 140 mains, Custom Mac 4 into 2 exhaust, ACCT,XS850 final drive,110/90/19 front tire,TKat fork brace, XS750 140 MPH speedometer, Vetter IV fairing, aftermarket hard bags and trunk, LG high back seat, XJ rear shocks.

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    • #3
      Just to make sure, you did charge the battery before installing it?
      Life is what happens while your planning everything else!

      When your work speaks for itself, don't interrupt.

      81 XS1100 Special - Humpty Dumpty
      80 XS1100 Special - Project Resurrection


      Previously owned
      93 GSX600F
      80 XS1100 Special - Ruby
      81 XS1100 Special
      81 CB750 C
      80 CB750 C
      78 XS750

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      • #4
        Originally posted by DGXSER View Post
        Just to make sure, you did charge the battery before installing it?
        I'm pretty sure Ben is at least that smart.
        Greg

        Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”

        ― Albert Einstein

        80 SG Ol' Okie;79 engine & carbs w/pods, 45 pilots, 140 mains, Custom Mac 4 into 2 exhaust, ACCT,XS850 final drive,110/90/19 front tire,TKat fork brace, XS750 140 MPH speedometer, Vetter IV fairing, aftermarket hard bags and trunk, LG high back seat, XJ rear shocks.

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        • #5
          crap for brains maybe?

          No I have not charged the battery...its supposed to be ready to go ...i dont have any meters to check it so it is possible its not charged...although on the box it says ready to install no initial charge needed...i took the battery back out and brought it in the house...too busy to check it today...gotta go on a local Toy Run ride...will get DVM and check it tmrw..
          1980 XS650G Special-Two
          1993 Honda ST1100

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          • #6
            Originally posted by BA80 View Post
            Check the main power wire from the battery. That's the smaller red wire coming from the + side of the battery. Mine has broken a couple of times.

            Also, make sure all the fuses are good and making good contact. Did Randy put an upgraded fuse box on there?
            yeah pretty sure the fuses are upgraded...have not been in there recently...will look later
            1980 XS650G Special-Two
            1993 Honda ST1100

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            • #7
              Originally posted by madmax-im View Post
              No I have not charged the battery...its supposed to be ready to go ...i dont have any meters to check it so it is possible its not charged...although on the box it says ready to install no initial charge needed...i took the battery back out and brought it in the house...too busy to check it today...gotta go on a local Toy Run ride...will get DVM and check it tmrw..
              Is it one of those "superior" expensive batteries.
              Greg

              Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”

              ― Albert Einstein

              80 SG Ol' Okie;79 engine & carbs w/pods, 45 pilots, 140 mains, Custom Mac 4 into 2 exhaust, ACCT,XS850 final drive,110/90/19 front tire,TKat fork brace, XS750 140 MPH speedometer, Vetter IV fairing, aftermarket hard bags and trunk, LG high back seat, XJ rear shocks.

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              • #8
                Battery

                A couple of weeks ago I replaced the clutch cable on Yami.
                Also had the air filter out and removed two fuel lines.
                When I went to start Yami, had nothing. No lights on dash. Did not touch the battery. I started with checking battery volts and then followed the cables. Nothing at the end of the red, pos cable. Removed both cables, cleaned the ends bright and shiny, and things worked again.
                Also added water to the battery. No problems since.
                Another issue I had earlier was with the key switch. Sometimes nothing on the dash, which is usually a green neutral light and a red charging light. Took the switch apart, cleaned it and that fixed that problem.

                Unkle Crusty

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                • #9
                  Hey BNE,

                  Did you get that Pulse Charger/Minder from Northern Tool on Friday???

                  Would highly suggest you put water in your alleged previously dead battery and let it sit there for a few weeks!!!! Just make sure it has ~10.5 volts or more before starting to try to use the Pulse charger. IF it shows less volts, put it on your regular charger first if nothing else to get a surface charge to at least 10.5 volts, then put it on the Pulse Charger!!!

                  Reading the instructions/info pamphlet that came with the Pulse Charger, it can be used for AGM and other special style batteries as well as plain wet acid types! So if you have to boost/start your old battery on the regular charger, then put the NEW ONE on the pulse charger for a day or two to truly top it off!

                  T.C.
                  T. C. Gresham
                  81SH "Godzilla" . . .1179cc super-rat.
                  79SF "The Teacher" . . .basket case!
                  History shows again and again,
                  How nature points out the folly of men!

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                  • #10
                    Thanks for the advice TC...I will be getting a pulse charger this week...pretty sure my dead battery is beyond taking a charge...but will top off the new one and start checking all the connections... will update as needed...
                    1980 XS650G Special-Two
                    1993 Honda ST1100

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                    • #11
                      Yes,

                      You have upgraded fuses in there.

                      How the other battery was boiled dry would worry me, though. Other than minor stuff like a bulb or fuse, I never had electrical problems in 9 years, and definitely nothing this major.

                      You may have a dead short through the reg/rect. Unplug then test.

                      That's all I can do from here, the obvious has already been posted.

                      One thing, though. There is a plug on the red lead, very close to the battery. Make sure it's connected or you have nothing feeding the wire harness, as a double check, short the solenoid with a screwdriver, if it cranks your battery is good. Key does not have to be on for that test. Lower left of this photo is the connector.

                      Last edited by DAVINCI; 12-02-2013, 01:02 PM.
                      Former owner, but I have NO PARTS LEFT!

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                      • #12
                        I think the battery boiled dry because i did not payattn to or maintain its fluid levels...i only had the charger on 2 hrs on the 2 amp cycle and it was enough...I have yet to go out and look at it again...
                        1980 XS650G Special-Two
                        1993 Honda ST1100

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                        • #13
                          Crap Update

                          Had to wait for the weekend to catch up with this ...went out and bought a small DVM and the Battery Minder Plus...came home and measured the new gel battery and it was 12.7 volts...so the battery was good...hooked it up to the new battery charger/minder and within 10 mins or so the battery was @ 13.5 volts and the green light on the minder was flashing meaning it was in maintainence mode for a fully charged batt.
                          Then I went out to the stable and started with the simple stuff...checked the blade fuses and ssure enough the 30amp Main fuse was blown... replaced with a good fuse and installed batt. turned the key and we have power...hit the starter and she fired right up...woo hoo..we're back in bizness...
                          BTW Marty the battery I bought is made by DEKA...who knew?
                          1980 XS650G Special-Two
                          1993 Honda ST1100

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                          • #14
                            That fuse might be all that was wrong with it in the first place.
                            Greg

                            Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”

                            ― Albert Einstein

                            80 SG Ol' Okie;79 engine & carbs w/pods, 45 pilots, 140 mains, Custom Mac 4 into 2 exhaust, ACCT,XS850 final drive,110/90/19 front tire,TKat fork brace, XS750 140 MPH speedometer, Vetter IV fairing, aftermarket hard bags and trunk, LG high back seat, XJ rear shocks.

                            The list changes.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by BA80 View Post
                              That fuse might be all that was wrong with it in the first place.
                              I dont think so Greg..because the old battery was low...and there was a charge in it but not enough to crank the motor so at that point all fuses were good...now i didnt take the old battery out of the bike...just connected the charger to it ...I should have taken the batt. out and i would have seen the cells that would be low on h2o but since i didnt do that I basically just boiled up what was left in there plus at that point blew the main fuse. 2 amp charge for 2 hrs was more than enough to fry it ...i guess...so ther you have it...the main reason I wanted a sealed AGM battery,,,because i suck at keeping batteries maintained...so now the new battery minder will keep things fresh. One less thing I need to do...more time to ride.
                              Now i have tried to resurrect the old battery with a quick charge then a slow charge as TC is trying to do but the old battery wont take any charge at all so it is indeed toasted... All is as it should be...ommmmmm
                              1980 XS650G Special-Two
                              1993 Honda ST1100

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