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  • "...these go to eleven" (Build Thread)

    Hello all

    OK I am going to just start off with a brief back story and some images.


    A long time ago, in land far far away...


    San Diego, Ca. (circa 1996)








    This is me sitting on the Numbers at NAS Miramar. 1981 Midnight Special, all stock, cept-n-fer a Kerker 4 into 1 and divorced front and rear brakes.

    Sorry for the crappy image but these are scanned from an ancient technology called a Photograph. )

    How did I get on the numbers, you say? Reenlistment. You can request to do it anywhere. Yes, I did get to let her rip afterward. That shiny black spot in the back ground is not sticky. Did not dump it, but... Don't ask.

    Sadly, that was a long time ago. I sold the Midnight Special to a friend who later totaled it, so sad.



    OK, fast forward seventeen years to Sept. 2013.


    I was cruising a couple of "estate sale" links when I saw a tiny 100X100 image of what appeared to be an XS. It was in bad shape and had many many, boxes, buckets, and yes a "basket" of parts, including and extra engine! The PO had gotten in way over their head and it had been sitting for "a few years". The sales agency was asking way too much for the pile... These sales go for three days and sure enough the whole thing was still there on the last day. Big discounts on the final day...

    They said: "50% off all day" (around $400.00!).

    I said: "$125.00" fully expecting them to balk. Much to my surprise, they did not. A quick call to a buddy and I had it loaded and on the way to my secret lair.


    Here is the prettiest part of the "pile", after I rinsed it with a power washer. The tank is just resting on top. 1980 SG Those of you with good eyes may notice a few "discrepancies".

    The rust was quite extensive... "It was kept covered during storage". Yeah, right.

    Yes, this is the carb bank. Check out that fuel line.

    Fortunately, the insides were squeaky clean. All the internals (Engine, Carbs, Gearbox, etc.) appear to have been properly preserved.

    Here is the frame being stripped prior to powder coating. I am powder coating just about everything. I will spray the tank and side covers.

    All stripped down. While the frame was bare, no better time to make some improvements. I tightened up all the welds and added some gussets to close off that gaping hole behind the steer-tube. This will strengthen the front end.

    Yes, I had to cut off the tail of the frame, to allow the frame to be maneuvered inside the blast cabinet. They are perfectly straight and welded back in place with no issues.

    Sooo.......



    Here is the frame along with a few items mocked up after powder coating.

    ...and a close up.

    I have done a little more since but I do not have updated images yet. My shop is hella cluttered and hard to get a good shot. Once I get the suspension bits and the wheels on I will roll it out for more shots.

    Stay tuned...

    Peace, Wolf
    Last edited by XS-play; 11-22-2013, 01:04 AM.
    80 SG
    81 Midnight Special (R.I.P.)

  • #2
    Very nice! Silver frame is interesting too!

    I saw the frame cut off in back and thought "Not another one"then saw the next picture before reading the text inbetween. Brief moment of confustion for me there!
    Nathan
    KD9ARL

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    1978 XS1100E
    K&N Filter
    #45 pilot Jet, #137.5 Main Jet
    OEM Exhaust
    ATK Fork Brace
    LED Dash lights
    Ammeter, Oil Pressure, Oil Temp, and Volt Meters

    Green Monster Coils
    SS Brake Lines
    Vision 550 Auto Tensioner

    In any moment of decision the best thing you can do is the right thing, the next best thing is the wrong thing, and the worst thing you can do is nothing.

    Theodore Roosevelt

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    • #3
      Ha ha!

      His shop is "cluttered".

      Come down to San Antonio Wolf and I will show you cluttered.

      (You better come soon because my New Years Resolution is to clean up)

      Did I not say that last year?

      I like the "thoroughness" of your rebuild.

      I need to get a couple days home to work on Enterprise and Great Ranger still has a broken exhaust stud from the 7kWUSCAN trip.

      Cluttered. Ha!

      John


      (Dreaming of Wolf's cluttered shop in a city with an Alamo....)
      John is in an anonymous city with an Alamo (N29.519227,W-98.678980)

      Go ahead, click on the bikes - you know you want to...the electrons are ready.
      '81 XS1100H - "Enterprise"
      Bob Jones Custom Navy bike: Tkat brace, EBC floating rotors & SS lines, ROX pivot risers, Geezer rectifier, new 3H3 engine

      "Not all treasure is silver and gold"

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      • #4
        I am doing the same thing myself. It is several subjects down from yours.
        Mine is also in very rough shape and a not running yet.
        Way too much rust.

        I will be a little off from absolute stock but it will be pretty close.
        I already have a very expoensive custome Cafe Racer build so mainly want to get this back to what I think they should have looked like back in 1979.

        Good luck and keep the pictures coming.
        79 YAMAHA XS1100F
        2012 KAWASAKI CONCOURS
        1981 HONDA CB985CR

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        • #5
          Originally posted by XS-play View Post
          - - - I said: "$125.00" fully expecting them to balk. Much to my surprise, they did not. A quick call to a buddy and I had it loaded and on the way to my secret lair. - - -
          1980 SG Those of you with good eyes may notice a few "discrepancies". - - -
          Hi Wolf and welcome,
          yeah, interesting Frankenbike. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
          Special with the front end off a Standard. You got better brakes out of the deal. You get the Standard's square gauges & headlight or the Special's round ones?
          Check the rear disk for slots and the rear tire for size to see if the rear wheel was swapped too.
          Keep the octopus if you approve of using eight fuel lines where two will do.
          And while Marty really likes those rototiller handlebars, I reckon their best use is for the tenor note of an outdoor windchime.
          Fred Hill, S'toon
          XS11SG with Spirit of America sidecar
          "The Flying Pumpkin"

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          • #6
            I am planning to keep this as much an original parts bike, at least as far as year goes. Both motors are early standards (3H3-005607) usable (2H7-006081) Seized but parts worthy. I have not found a way to track what engine S/N came with what frame S/N. However, I believe they are both pre-Special.

            I have been busy on Eprey and have sourced the correct front end along with several other bits. I got a good set of wheels, the ones tha came with it left me a little worried due to corrosion. I have the 17" rear, did not know at the time about concerns with the 17" vs 16". Oh well.

            I read some chatter about Standard vs Special fitment issues. Is there a difference between swing axle/final drive assemblies too. Is the difference with the drive splines on the wheel?

            Do sintered brake pads help the Specials braking deficiency. I have basic EBC pads now but might upgrade soon after getting her rolling.

            Again, I read somewhere that there was a handling problem with the early bikes that was resolved with the Specials, another reason for getting the front correct.

            Round gauges and lights, please. The square stuff just reeks too much of the bad side of the eighties.

            Peace, Wolf
            Last edited by XS-play; 11-22-2013, 05:18 PM.
            80 SG
            81 Midnight Special (R.I.P.)

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            • #7
              Originally posted by XS-play View Post
              I am planning to keep this as much an original parts bike, at least as far as year goes. Both motors are early standards (3H3-005607) usable (2H7-006081) Seized but parts worthy. I have not found a way to track what engine S/N came with what frame S/N. However, I believe they are both pre-Special.

              I have been busy on Eprey and have sourced the correct front end along with several other bits. I got a good set of wheels, the ones tha came with it left me a little worried due to corrosion. I have the 17" rear, did not know at the time about concerns with the 17" vs 16". Oh well.

              I read some chatter about Standard vs Special fitment issues. Is there a difference between swing axle/final drive assemblies too. Is the difference with the drive splines on the wheel?

              Do sintered brake pads help the Specials braking deficiency. I have basic EBC pads now but might upgrade soon after getting her rolling.

              Again, I read somewhere that there was a handling problem with the early bikes that was resolved with the Specials, another reason for getting the front correct.

              Round gauges and lights, please. The square stuff just reeks too much of the bad side of the eighties.

              Peace, Wolf
              Hi Wolf,
              there's no real concern with the 16" vs the 17" wheels, they'll swap either way no problem so long as they swap brake hangers and all.
              There's not even much difference in the overall gearing, the 130/90-16" tire has just about the same OD as the 4.5"-17" tire.
              All the splines are identical, everything swaps. You can even install an XS750 or XS850 rear drive to get lower RPMs for a given speed.
              FWIW, all XS11s run out of brakes and handling way before they run out of power; I didn't know that early models were worse.
              And while Special forks are better, their brakes are worse, you choose.
              Fred Hill, S'toon
              XS11SG with Spirit of America sidecar
              "The Flying Pumpkin"

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              • #8
                I have a 130/90-17'' tire, I need to mount it. I did not realize there was a difference in the special rear wheels, I thought all the straight spoke wheels were alike. I knew the Midnight Special had a 16 inch curved spoke rear... Just thought it only applied to the MS.

                I have both of the rear brake tension Bars (the Stamped Piece), I did not know they were that different. when I first heard about the rear wheel issue, I took a look at them side by side and it appears there is a significantly different offset at the axle.

                Is there a difference in the cast piece that holds the caliper and pads? What about the caliper?

                Peace, Wolf
                80 SG
                81 Midnight Special (R.I.P.)

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                • #9
                  I believe the difference is in the rim. The special has a thicker spacer that goes between the rim and the brake caliper bracket, and then the stamped piece.
                  Nathan
                  KD9ARL

                  μολὼν λαβέ

                  1978 XS1100E
                  K&N Filter
                  #45 pilot Jet, #137.5 Main Jet
                  OEM Exhaust
                  ATK Fork Brace
                  LED Dash lights
                  Ammeter, Oil Pressure, Oil Temp, and Volt Meters

                  Green Monster Coils
                  SS Brake Lines
                  Vision 550 Auto Tensioner

                  In any moment of decision the best thing you can do is the right thing, the next best thing is the wrong thing, and the worst thing you can do is nothing.

                  Theodore Roosevelt

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                  • #10
                    John

                    Is your shop as cluttered as this?

                    ...And this is the working area.

                    Even the bike serves as storage/shelf.

                    Here is the shop wide shot.

                    Below are some misc. parts.

                    Cleaned up and powder coated brackets.

                    Here is another angle.

                    Powder coated.

                    Calipers are coated, the tension bar (SG) and side case/linkage await.

                    Peace, Wolf
                    80 SG
                    81 Midnight Special (R.I.P.)

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                    • #11
                      Nathan

                      You may have something there.

                      Now I just need a couple of folks that have one of each spacer laying around that they can get the dimensions off of. Using a set of vernier calipers, of course. Anyone planing to do a rear bearing repack, or a tire change soon? )

                      I will have to go digging around and see what spacer I have, it is quite possible that I have both. Maybe I could turn a new set of two smaller spacers that can sandwich the Special tension bar at the correct alignment. Hmmm... Gonna have to un-bury the lathe.

                      Peace, Wolf
                      80 SG
                      81 Midnight Special (R.I.P.)

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                      • #12
                        In your pic there you have the special (16" rim) torsion bar powder coated and then in the last one you have the standard (17" rim) one still black. I have one of each spacer I will see if I can find them. The special spacer is very noticeably thicker.

                        Now how did you end up with Euro shift linkage parts?
                        Nathan
                        KD9ARL

                        μολὼν λαβέ

                        1978 XS1100E
                        K&N Filter
                        #45 pilot Jet, #137.5 Main Jet
                        OEM Exhaust
                        ATK Fork Brace
                        LED Dash lights
                        Ammeter, Oil Pressure, Oil Temp, and Volt Meters

                        Green Monster Coils
                        SS Brake Lines
                        Vision 550 Auto Tensioner

                        In any moment of decision the best thing you can do is the right thing, the next best thing is the wrong thing, and the worst thing you can do is nothing.

                        Theodore Roosevelt

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                        • #13
                          Yeah I have lots of duplicate and mixed model parts. I picked the Special Tension Bar thinking they were basically the same. I have not gotten around to powder coating the rest of the parts yet.

                          I too have to go through the pile and see if I have both spacers. I have stuff somewhat sorted, but it is pretty cold in the garage right now. Once I have the bike finished, I will figure out what parts have to go. I will offer them up on here first, then Eprey if no takers.

                          The Euro linkage was off of Eprey, good price but paid through the nose on shipping. I just liked it and thought it would be different/unusual.

                          Peace, Wolf
                          Last edited by XS-play; 11-23-2013, 10:59 PM.
                          80 SG
                          81 Midnight Special (R.I.P.)

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by fredintoon View Post
                            ....There's not even much difference in the overall gearing, the 130/90-16" tire has just about the same OD as the 4.5"-17" tire.
                            HAH!

                            http://www.xs11.com/forum/showthread.php?t=36698
                            Fast, Cheap, Reliable... Pick any two

                            '78E original owner - resto project
                            '78E ???? owner - Modder project FJ forks, 4-piston calipers F/R, 160/80-16 rear tire
                            '82 XJ rebuild project
                            '80SG restified, red SOLD
                            '79F parts...
                            '81H more parts...

                            Other current bikes:
                            '93 XL1200 Anniversary Sportster 85RWHP
                            '86 XL883/1200 Chopper
                            '82 XL1000 w/1450cc Buell, Baker 6-speed, in-progress project
                            Cage: '13 Mustang GT/CS with a few 'custom' touches
                            Yep, can't leave nuthin' alone...

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by XS-play View Post
                              I have both of the rear brake tension Bars (the Stamped Piece), I did not know they were that different. when I first heard about the rear wheel issue, I took a look at them side by side and it appears there is a significantly different offset at the axle.

                              Is there a difference in the cast piece that holds the caliper and pads? What about the caliper?

                              Peace, Wolf
                              The difference is the 16" wheel locates the rotor .3" further out from the centerline compared to the 17" wheel; they did this so you could remove the caliper without removing the wheel.

                              With the rotor further out, the caliper needed to move too, so the spacer between the caliper bracket and the wheel is .3" thicker, the steel bracket has a different offset, and the outer spacer that the 17" wheel uses is deleted. The caliper and cast bracket are the same for both.

                              One thing no one mentioned is you have 78/79 carbs, not the 80/81 type. First, these need to be jetted to that year specs, not 80 as internal differences in the carbs would make them much too lean. Second, the early carbs are also vented differently. The 80/81 are vented into the inlet bells, the 78/79 have a hose that comes out of the upper 'tee' between the 1/2 and 3/4 carbs and connect to the small nipples on the carb face of the airbox. All the boxes have these nipples, but the 80/81 versions aren't drilled out, so you need to check that. Not drilled? Drill them with an 1/8" bit, that's all that's needed.

                              Here's a SG I did a few years ago....

                              http://www.xs11.com/forum/showthread.php?t=33841
                              Last edited by crazy steve; 11-24-2013, 12:41 AM.
                              Fast, Cheap, Reliable... Pick any two

                              '78E original owner - resto project
                              '78E ???? owner - Modder project FJ forks, 4-piston calipers F/R, 160/80-16 rear tire
                              '82 XJ rebuild project
                              '80SG restified, red SOLD
                              '79F parts...
                              '81H more parts...

                              Other current bikes:
                              '93 XL1200 Anniversary Sportster 85RWHP
                              '86 XL883/1200 Chopper
                              '82 XL1000 w/1450cc Buell, Baker 6-speed, in-progress project
                              Cage: '13 Mustang GT/CS with a few 'custom' touches
                              Yep, can't leave nuthin' alone...

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