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  • #1

    2nd gear curiosity

    I've had a skip in 2nd gear for some time. It only happened at full throttle in 2nd gear and once, around 6,500 RPM. It seems like it is shifting gears but it is remaining in 2nd & does not go into neutral. It's repeatable at WOT every time. That was 6 months ago.

    Now if I am at mostly WOT it happens sometimes three times during the acceleration, never leaves 2nd gear, it just feels like a shift. No odd noises at these times, only happens in 2nd. If I give say up to 1/2 or a bit more throttle I never feel it. If I go say 3/4 throttle I usually experience it. WOT will now get 2-3 of these skips happening every time.

    I've never been on a bike with the 2nd gear issue so I don't know if this is it in the early stages. Does this sound like the 2nd gear problem that needs the Dremel fix? Weak clutch?

    Thanks!
    82 XJ1100 Maxim "hurricane"- DEKA EXT18L AGM battery , NGK BPR6EIX spark plugs, Green Dyna coils, Sylvania SilverStar Ultra H4 bulb, 139 dB Stebel Nautilus air horn, Home-made K&N air filter based on an original paper filter frame, new piston rings, Barnett Clutch Springs, SS braid/Teflon brake lines, TKAT fork brace, rebuilt calipers, master cylinders, new brakes, reupholstered seat, lotsa little things and so many answered questions here.
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  • #2
    Sounds like the early stages of the dogs rounding off and slipping.

    I think the dremel fix is in your future.
    Nathan
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    OEM Exhaust
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    LED Dash lights
    Ammeter, Oil Pressure, Oil Temp, and Volt Meters
    Green Monster Coils
    SS Brake Lines
    Vision 550 Auto Tensioner

    In any moment of decision the best thing you can do is the right thing, the next best thing is the wrong thing, and the worst thing you can do is nothing.

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    • #3
      Every time it does that, it's rounding the gears a little more. Take it easy until you can fix it. Yes.. it sounds just like the 2nd gear problem.
      Try your hardest to be the kind of person your dog thinks you are.

      You can live to be 100, as long as you give up everything that would make you want to live to be 100!

      Current bikes:
      '06 Suzuki DR650
      *'82 XJ1100 with the 1179 kit. "Mad Maxim"
      '82 XJ1100 Completely stock fixer-upper
      '82 XJ1100 Bagger fixer-upper
      '82 XJ1100 Motor/frame and lots of boxes of parts
      '82 XJ1100 Parts bike
      '81 XS1100 Special
      '81 YZ250
      '80 XS850 Special
      '80 XR100
      *Crashed/Totalled, still own

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      • #4
        Dagnabit! That's not what I wanted to hear... I wanted to hear it was the clutch or maybe a bit of undigested gruel... I'll have to research the dremel fix, I remember seeing a tutorial here before. Guess I need to flip it upside down & that sounds like real fun.

        Better to know the truth than keep on guessing though. Thanks for the info.

        Gary
        82 XJ1100 Maxim "hurricane"- DEKA EXT18L AGM battery , NGK BPR6EIX spark plugs, Green Dyna coils, Sylvania SilverStar Ultra H4 bulb, 139 dB Stebel Nautilus air horn, Home-made K&N air filter based on an original paper filter frame, new piston rings, Barnett Clutch Springs, SS braid/Teflon brake lines, TKAT fork brace, rebuilt calipers, master cylinders, new brakes, reupholstered seat, lotsa little things and so many answered questions here.

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        • #5
          If it helps, the XJ is better for flipping since the rear grab bar and the handle bars are very stout.

          The tech tip is very thorough and lots of detailed pics. Makes it almost hard to mess up. As always, when in doubt ask a question here before you take a guess at what to do.
          Life is what happens while your planning everything else!

          When your work speaks for itself, don't interrupt.

          81 XS1100 Special - Humpty Dumpty
          80 XS1100 Special - Project Resurrection


          Previously owned
          93 GSX600F
          80 XS1100 Special - Ruby
          81 XS1100 Special
          81 CB750 C
          80 CB750 C
          78 XS750

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          • #6
            I'm not sure if all XJ11s have the tall set in the back but this one does. I don't have short grip for that, it came with the tall back.

            I'll have to read the tutorial closely first as there's nobody I know of around me that has ever done this. Thankfully I don't have to remove the engine & split the case. Replacing the rings was enough last year. And, it turns out I probably didn't need to do that. At least the top half had a good going over and will likely be good for a very long time.
            82 XJ1100 Maxim "hurricane"- DEKA EXT18L AGM battery , NGK BPR6EIX spark plugs, Green Dyna coils, Sylvania SilverStar Ultra H4 bulb, 139 dB Stebel Nautilus air horn, Home-made K&N air filter based on an original paper filter frame, new piston rings, Barnett Clutch Springs, SS braid/Teflon brake lines, TKAT fork brace, rebuilt calipers, master cylinders, new brakes, reupholstered seat, lotsa little things and so many answered questions here.

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            • #7
              Old set of handle bars,Cinder blocks, Couple jack stands to hold it up while its upside down. And a engine lift helps out a bunch when it comes to flipping it over. And a extra person to help. Works for me. Good luck.
              Chris

              79 XS1100 Standard aka: Mutt
              87 Honda TRX350D 4X4: Old Blue!
              93 NewYorker Salon: Sleeper...
              71 RoadRunner 440 Magnum: Mean Green!
              69 Charger 440 Magnum: Pleasure Ride!

              Gimme Fuel Gimme Fire!

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              • #8
                Originally posted by ccogswel View Post
                Old set of handle bars
                Not so easy for an XJ.....
                Nathan
                KD9ARL

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                1978 XS1100E
                K&N Filter
                #45 pilot Jet, #137.5 Main Jet
                OEM Exhaust
                ATK Fork Brace
                LED Dash lights
                Ammeter, Oil Pressure, Oil Temp, and Volt Meters
                Green Monster Coils
                SS Brake Lines
                Vision 550 Auto Tensioner

                In any moment of decision the best thing you can do is the right thing, the next best thing is the wrong thing, and the worst thing you can do is nothing.

                Theodore Roosevelt

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by natemoen View Post
                  Not so easy for an XJ.....

                  Unless you have a whole garage and shed full of them? lol.. But, I just split the cases instead of flipping the bike... Unless you're talking of flipping them down the highway. lol.
                  Try your hardest to be the kind of person your dog thinks you are.

                  You can live to be 100, as long as you give up everything that would make you want to live to be 100!

                  Current bikes:
                  '06 Suzuki DR650
                  *'82 XJ1100 with the 1179 kit. "Mad Maxim"
                  '82 XJ1100 Completely stock fixer-upper
                  '82 XJ1100 Bagger fixer-upper
                  '82 XJ1100 Motor/frame and lots of boxes of parts
                  '82 XJ1100 Parts bike
                  '81 XS1100 Special
                  '81 YZ250
                  '80 XS850 Special
                  '80 XR100
                  *Crashed/Totalled, still own

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                  • #10
                    This is how I did my SG ........




                    But when I did my SF I flipped the bike. That was the easiest way.....


                    Greg

                    Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”

                    ― Albert Einstein

                    80 SG Ol' Okie;79 engine & carbs w/pods, 45 pilots, 140 mains, Custom Mac 4 into 2 exhaust, ACCT,XS850 final drive,110/90/19 front tire,TKat fork brace, XS750 140 MPH speedometer, Vetter IV fairing, aftermarket hard bags and trunk, LG high back seat, XJ rear shocks.

                    The list changes.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by trbig View Post
                      Unless you have a whole garage and shed full of them? lol.. But, I just split the cases instead of flipping the bike... Unless you're talking of flipping them down the highway. lol.
                      Not everyone is so......lucky?
                      Nathan
                      KD9ARL

                      μολὼν λαβέ

                      1978 XS1100E
                      K&N Filter
                      #45 pilot Jet, #137.5 Main Jet
                      OEM Exhaust
                      ATK Fork Brace
                      LED Dash lights
                      Ammeter, Oil Pressure, Oil Temp, and Volt Meters
                      Green Monster Coils
                      SS Brake Lines
                      Vision 550 Auto Tensioner

                      In any moment of decision the best thing you can do is the right thing, the next best thing is the wrong thing, and the worst thing you can do is nothing.

                      Theodore Roosevelt

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                      • #12
                        In one of my old posts it shows a vid of the sound it makes when it is skipping badly. I also show how I did a one man flip with some sand bags, handlebars and signal lights still on the bike. Further reading will show you how bad they looked etc. If you are interested check it out at http://www.xs11.com/forum/showthread.php?t=31895
                        2-79 XS1100 SF
                        2-78 XS1100 E Best bike Ever
                        80 XS 1100 SG Big bore kit but not fully running yet.
                        Couple of more parts bikes of which 2 more will live!

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                        • #13
                          Opps My bad! Didn't see his signature. Subtract the used handlebars! Lol.
                          Chris

                          79 XS1100 Standard aka: Mutt
                          87 Honda TRX350D 4X4: Old Blue!
                          93 NewYorker Salon: Sleeper...
                          71 RoadRunner 440 Magnum: Mean Green!
                          69 Charger 440 Magnum: Pleasure Ride!

                          Gimme Fuel Gimme Fire!

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                          • #14
                            Hi Rasputin; Interesting post.

                            I haven't heard anything that sounds like a grind when this happens though. That video has grinding that sounds really obvious & with this, it just quickly skips and stays in gear.

                            So now I have a few more questions:

                            Is this the "best" info on doing the 2nd gear fix? http://www.xs11.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5090

                            Also regarding moving the "washer", can this be done without splitting the case? I see the photo of what's to be moved here, at the bottom of the post http://www.xs11.com/forum/showthread...ght=dremel+fix

                            Also, rather than do a dremel fix, AND if I don't have to split the case to do it, would it be better just to buy a new 2nd gear and move the washer as well? Personally I'd rather just get a new gear in there.

                            If yes, where would I best find this gear today?

                            Thank ye!
                            82 XJ1100 Maxim "hurricane"- DEKA EXT18L AGM battery , NGK BPR6EIX spark plugs, Green Dyna coils, Sylvania SilverStar Ultra H4 bulb, 139 dB Stebel Nautilus air horn, Home-made K&N air filter based on an original paper filter frame, new piston rings, Barnett Clutch Springs, SS braid/Teflon brake lines, TKAT fork brace, rebuilt calipers, master cylinders, new brakes, reupholstered seat, lotsa little things and so many answered questions here.

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                            • #15
                              Those gears are NLA. Good luck finding them.
                              Marty (in Mississippi)
                              XS1100SG
                              XS650SK
                              XS650SH
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