Clutch

[donebysunday]

All You Wonderful XSives !!!!!

So with this bike (81SH) 1st and 2nd were skipping badly. The shift forks were very worn so I think starting out in 3rd gear must/may have weakened the clutch springs.
Should I put new ones in before re-assembly ?
On the XS650s I always put 3 HD springs in the clutch and never had a problem but with 2Xs the HP maybe all the springs on the SH ?
I will swirly sand the discs and measure the friction plates.

I've lots of extra XS650 plates and friction discs, can they be interchanged ?

Thank You ! Done };~)

[jetmechmarty]

UD,

Your friction plates and springs from your XS650 are fine for the XS11. Clutch plates and springs are all the same.

[mack]

Clutch springs

Have you measured the components for tolerance. Plates and springs? I put new Heavy duty springs in the LH even though the old ones were in tolerance. Makes it a little jumpy until you get the feel for it. Trouble with having more than one ride is they all feel different and have different personalities. I have an extra set of OEM springs here if you need them.

[trbig]

The best springs I've found, by far, are the Barnett springs.

[donebysunday]

UD,

Your friction plates and springs from your XS650 are fine for the XS11. Clutch plates and springs are all the same.

Found the extra friction discs for the XS650 were about 5 thousands thicker than the ones in the 11SH so decided to use them. Now I can't get the pressure plate to meet the stack of plates and friction plates, bottoms out on the thrust washer, seems odd ? Being that the friction plates were thicker I was thinking I might have trouble with the springs/star plate, I'm at a loss, so close yet so far !

[trbig]

And you're absolutely positive you've got the right number of discs in? You didn't remove that one wired to the clutch boss, did you?

[skids]

http://www.bikebandit.com/houseofmot...8246#sch230035

What do you mean it bottoms out on the thrust washer?

Do you mean the stack is so thick that the star plate can not be tightened because of this? The star plate is normally tightened against spring pressures until it makes contact (plus some minor torque).

[donebysunday]

Clutch Basket

Thank You !

No I did not touch that wired in plate on the boss.
8 friction discs and same plates.
Even with number 3 removed the boss bottoms out before touching the plates ?
Pics maybe ?

[skids]

Thank You !

No I did not touch that wired in plate on the boss.
8 friction discs and same plates.
Even with number 3 removed the boss bottoms out before touching the plates ?
Pics maybe ?

Did you slide the plates onto the clutch boss assembly, and then work all of that into the "primary driven gear"? If I remember correctly, you need to line up all of the tabs of the friction plates to do that and you might need to rotate the works to get them all in there with the tabs in the slots. If you didn't do it that way, maybe a steel disk is not meshed with the boss gearing and it is not being inserted all the way? Heck, I can't imagine any other possibility.

[donebysunday]

Clutch Basket

Did you slide the plates onto the clutch boss assembly, and then work all of that into the "primary driven gear"? If I remember correctly, you need to line up all of the tabs of the friction plates to do that and you might need to rotate the works to get them all in there with the tabs in the slots. If you didn't do it that way, maybe a steel disk is not meshed with the boss gearing and it is not being inserted all the way? Heck, I can't imagine any other possibility.

Thanks Skids and All !!!!

Am I thinking bassackwards ?

Without the #3 washer


With the washer in




With the original friction plates just to see if it made a difference

[jetmechmarty]

Uhhhh..... You got the baskets mixed up and all those plates won't fit in a XS650 basket?

[skids]

Uhhhh..... You got the baskets mixed up and all those plates won't fit in a XS650 basket?

Something doesn't look right with that pic that shows the view to the bottom of the basket, but I don't know. It seems like the "wavey part" underneath has a different number of undulations than the number of posts in the pressure plate aove it. Is that the way it should be?

[TopCatGr58]

Well,

Here's a photo from my extra steel clutch plate tutorial.


Same number of curves(8) as the other photos. After I post this, I'll look again and compare them to see if I can see what the difference is, Marty is familiar with the 650's clutches/parts, so I'm accepting his statement that what Done has is the 650 basket and not the XS11 basket??

T.C.

Okay, one difference in the photos is that his are very DRY!! Mine are covered in OIL. It looks like with his, the clutch boss isn't dropping down into the last section of the basket where the notches in the basket for the steels line up with the steels. I would first suggest he remove ALL of the steels/frictions and put the clutch boss in the basket and see what it takes to wiggle the boss to get it to slip/drop down against the inner thrust washer and see how the top of the boss aligns with the top of the basket. I would suggest adding the oil to your plates, basket/boss, helps the parts to fit/slip together better!

[Rasputin]

I do not see a lot of oil on any of the pics. I always soak my clutch frictions in oil at least a couple of hours before installation.

[donebysunday]

Have you measured the components for tolerance. Plates and springs? I put new Heavy duty springs in the LH even though the old ones were in tolerance. Makes it a little jumpy until you get the feel for it. Trouble with having more than one ride is they all feel different and have different personalities. I have an extra set of OEM springs here if you need them.

Mack, What can I say other than fantastic bikes/work !!!!!
What would the springs be with shipping ?
I know what Canadia does shipping over the lines.

Thank You ! Done };~)