Clutch

[donebysunday]

Well,

Here's a photo from my extra steel clutch plate tutorial.


Same number of curves(8) as the other photos. After I post this, I'll look again and compare them to see if I can see what the difference is, Marty is familiar with the 650's clutches/parts, so I'm accepting his statement that what Done has is the 650 basket and not the XS11 basket??


Okay, one difference in the photos is that his are very DRY!! Mine are covered in OIL. It looks like with his, the clutch boss isn't dropping down into the last section of the basket where the notches in the basket for the steels line up with the steels. I would first suggest he remove ALL of the steels/frictions and put the clutch boss in the basket and see what it takes to wiggle the boss to get it to slip/drop down against the inner thrust washer and see how the top of the boss aligns with the top of the basket. I would suggest adding the oil to your plates, basket/boss, helps the parts to fit/slip together better!

Hi T.C. !
I did not use the 650 basket only the friction discs, then put the original friction discs back in. Then I took all the discs out and tried to drop the boss back in all the way, it would slip in but not any further than without the discs.
I don't think there is any need for much oil when just testing the fitment ?
Anyone got a pic of how it should look at the point of this assembly ?
Thank You All !!!!!

[trbig]

Not sure about your particular problem, but just throwing this out there... Be careful of the big washers. The washer that goes inside the clutch boss and the washer that goes on the outside up against the bearing in the case are different. The washer that goes against the bearing is slightly smaller. If you use the bigger one there, it cuts off the oil supply to one side of the bearing.

[donebysunday]

Clutch Basket

You really think I'd try and put an XS650 Clutch basket into an XS1100 ?





Just in case you don't know the XS1100 is on the right.

Thanks Guys ! Done };~)

[jetmechmarty]

You really think I'd try and put an XS650 Clutch basket into an XS1100 ?

No UD, just teasing.

[donebysunday]

Clutch Springs

Good One Marty !!!!!
Now I find that the springs from an XS650 are way to short, so I need clutch springs for this XS1100SH, Barnet was suggested and partzilla has them for $19.96 + S&H any other places to buy ?
I have a call into my local stealer but they are so busy he's going to have to call me back.

Thanks Done };~)

[jetmechmarty]

IAW the PARTZILLA site, the XS1100 and XS650 springs are the same.

The Vesrah springs are 17% stronger than stock. Partzilla has them at $12.

[skids]

So...what did you determine to be the cause of your orininal issue?

[WMarshy]

IAW the PARTZILLA site, the XS1100 and XS650 springs are the same.

The Vesrah springs are 17% stronger than stock. Partzilla has them at $12.

I still recommend people buy the Barnett HD springs... I thought they claim to be 20% stronger... either way, new ones do a lot of good regardless if they are HD or not...

[jetmechmarty]

The only info I could find on Barnett springs is that they are 1.5 in free length and 43% stronger than stock. I think I read the Vesrah springs are 1.74 in free length.

[trbig]

The only info I could find on Barnett springs is that they are 1.5 in free length and 43% stronger than stock. I think I read the Vesrah springs are 1.74 in free length.

I used to go through at least one set of the Vesrah "HD" springs a year. I've had solid hook up from a set of Barnett springs for close to three years now with not a hint of weakening. The only thing I dislike about the Barnetts is with a bit heavier clutch pull, getting caught in traffic can sure give the grip a workout. They're made from a much thicker steel stock. Very noticeable with the naked eye.

[donebysunday]

So...what did you determine to be the cause of your orininal issue?

Skids, guys,
I really think it's in the way the clutch operates that through me off, I'm really not sure until I put it back together ?
As for the springs, the Barnett were the only ones available ASAP.
Thank You All !!!!!

[donebysunday]

I used to go through at least one set of the Vesrah "HD" springs a year. I've had solid hook up from a set of Barnett springs for close to three years now with not a hint of weakening. The only thing I dislike about the Barnetts is with a bit heavier clutch pull, getting caught in traffic can sure give the grip a workout. They're made from a much thicker steel stock. Very noticeable with the naked eye.

I used the Barnett springs in my XS650, all 6 of them. Then went for a 780 mi. group ride in Westby, Wi., 1/2 of it was on the slab, by the time I got home I could hardly pull the clutch lever. The Westby Wildcat Mountain ride is mostly 5-35 mph. curves, lots of shifts. After getting back home wishing I could reach over with my right hand to pull the clutch I took 3 of the Barnett springs out and alternately
replaced with the old worn out springs, worked great till I sold it 20K later.

The 11 clutch is a different setup than the 650 or any other clutch setup, including cars that I've ever seen.
Does anyone know of a site that shows the operation of this XS11 clutch ?

Thanks Done };~)

[donebysunday]

I used to go through at least one set of the Vesrah "HD" springs a year. I've had solid hook up from a set of Barnett springs for close to three years now with not a hint of weakening. The only thing I dislike about the Barnetts is with a bit heavier clutch pull, getting caught in traffic can sure give the grip a workout. They're made from a much thicker steel stock. Very noticeable with the naked eye.

What about using just 3 of the Barnett springs ?

[trbig]

I wouldn't dare because I'm rougher on a clutch than most, but that would probably still be better than EBC or Vesrah's "HD" set of springs. I'd just have to wonder about different pressures around the plates though, like if it would let it somehow flex against the three weaker springs and not hold the plates all level? I couldn't answer that.

[Rasputin]

like if it would let it somehow flex against the three weaker springs and not hold the plates all level? I couldn't answer that.

My thoughts are the same as Trbig's on this. We have to use special care not to snap bolts or arms of the star plate when installing it, but we would dare to put springs of differing strengths in there. I would not be the first to try it any ways.
Possible vibration comes to mind but I do not really think that would be an issue. Just not a big fan of the idea myself. Something to think about though.