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  • Valve shim measurements

    I just checked the clearances on my valves tonight for the first time. Im using go/no-go gauges.

    Here are the exhaust valve clearances from left to right - .152, .152, .127, .127

    Obviously these are way off of the recommended spec.

    Now the big problem. I cant fit my smallest gauge (.102/.152) under ANY of the intake shims.

    So my question is, with all of the valves being so far out of whack and the intakes being un-measurable, what should my next step be? Tomorrow Ill pull the cams and get numbers off the shims but with all of them being so far off, should I be looking for other problems?
    Last edited by crazy steve; 04-10-2013, 12:34 AM.
    Nate

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  • #2
    If the bike has fairly even compression and/or was running well, the intakes are probably between .002" and .004". Generally, if the valves get tighter than .002", you'll get a miss or loss of compression. So figure on reducing shim size by two sizes and that will get you very close.

    I've seen them too tight to measure, an adjustment will fix it....
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    • #3
      Yeah the bike runs fantastic. Hopefully a shop here in town will be willing to do some swapping with me. Would like to avoid buying shims for all 8 valves.
      Nate

      78 XS11 "Matilda" 2H7 000364

      2001 Raptor ACCT, T.C. Fuse Box, TC Bros Forward Controls
      Kuryakyn Iso Grips/Throttleboss/Bar End Mirror, Custom Covered Seat
      Shinko 712s, HID Headlight, RC Performance Exhaust
      Bikemaster Daytona Handlebars, Galfer SS Brake Lines
      Barnett HD Clutch Springs, T.C. Spin On Filter Adapter
      K+N Air Filter

      88 Voyager XII
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      • #4
        Ok so I just pulled all the shims.

        From left to right with the original gaps-

        .152 .152 .127 .127
        300 295 290 300



        NA NA NA NA
        270 265 275 275



        So...If Im looking at this correctly, what I need is-

        295 290 280 290

        260 255 265 265


        Anyone mind going over the chart and double checking my numbers?
        Nate

        78 XS11 "Matilda" 2H7 000364

        2001 Raptor ACCT, T.C. Fuse Box, TC Bros Forward Controls
        Kuryakyn Iso Grips/Throttleboss/Bar End Mirror, Custom Covered Seat
        Shinko 712s, HID Headlight, RC Performance Exhaust
        Bikemaster Daytona Handlebars, Galfer SS Brake Lines
        Barnett HD Clutch Springs, T.C. Spin On Filter Adapter
        K+N Air Filter

        88 Voyager XII
        81 XJ650 Maxim

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        • #5
          Converting those to inches...

          Exhaust

          .006 .006 .005 .005

          I'd drop all of them two sizes; you're better off to hit the upper end of the clearance as that way you'll have longer between adjustments. Each shim change difference is .002", so two sizes will increase them by .004".

          That should give you...

          EX: .010 .010 .009 .009

          IN: .006 .006 .006 .006 (or maybe a bit more; remember, the early intake spec can be as much as .008". A bit more noise, but more time between... )
          Fast, Cheap, Reliable... Pick any two

          '78E original owner - resto project
          '78E ???? owner - Modder project FJ forks, 4-piston calipers F/R, 160/80-16 rear tire
          '82 XJ rebuild project
          '80SG restified, red SOLD
          '79F parts...
          '81H more parts...

          Other current bikes:
          '93 XL1200 Anniversary Sportster 85RWHP
          '86 XL883/1200 Chopper
          '82 XL1000 w/1450cc Buell, Baker 6-speed, in-progress project
          Cage: '13 Mustang GT/CS with a few 'custom' touches
          Yep, can't leave nuthin' alone...

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          • #6
            As far as checking locally, check your BMW bike dealer too. Those Beamers also use the same size shims and they may be willing to trade/sell you shims.
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            • #7
              The second place I called had a large box of them. Swapped them out for $3 each.
              Nate

              78 XS11 "Matilda" 2H7 000364

              2001 Raptor ACCT, T.C. Fuse Box, TC Bros Forward Controls
              Kuryakyn Iso Grips/Throttleboss/Bar End Mirror, Custom Covered Seat
              Shinko 712s, HID Headlight, RC Performance Exhaust
              Bikemaster Daytona Handlebars, Galfer SS Brake Lines
              Barnett HD Clutch Springs, T.C. Spin On Filter Adapter
              K+N Air Filter

              88 Voyager XII
              81 XJ650 Maxim

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              • #8
                Got em all put in and everything bolted back together. Retested and two of them are still off by one size. One intake and one exhaust. Steve, your guess of two sizes was right on. Im going to wait until my Motion Pro shows up in a day or two. Im not going to pull the cams for just two shims.

                Thanks for all the help guys. Now that Ive done it, not that difficult of a job.
                Nate

                78 XS11 "Matilda" 2H7 000364

                2001 Raptor ACCT, T.C. Fuse Box, TC Bros Forward Controls
                Kuryakyn Iso Grips/Throttleboss/Bar End Mirror, Custom Covered Seat
                Shinko 712s, HID Headlight, RC Performance Exhaust
                Bikemaster Daytona Handlebars, Galfer SS Brake Lines
                Barnett HD Clutch Springs, T.C. Spin On Filter Adapter
                K+N Air Filter

                88 Voyager XII
                81 XJ650 Maxim

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