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[CaptonZap]

Ha ha ha........Hey CZ, when was the last time you rode full bore for an hour?

There I was, back in 82, August 12, 2:30 PM, heading towards Chiriaco Summit from Blythe, a trailer full of camping gear and beer, (300lbs if it was an ounce), Rosanne Barr's look alike riding pillion, a wind out of the west at 45knots, and 104 in the shade.
Let me tell you, you don't have to ride full throttle for an hour to run those bowls low and do some major damage to the bike.
Ever try to hitch hike with an ugly fat chick?

Naw, the hour was only to facilitate the calculations of the fuel flow requirements.

CZ

[CatatonicBug]

Personally I would rather not have an electrical device near my gas

With a Special, the fuel sender is IN the fuel, and uses heat generated by resistance, in direct contact with the fuel. Not a real issue IMO.

[XS1100_OEM4ME]

Pingel

i have been thinking about seeing if i could put an electronic fuel shut off valves on my bike, to where the valve is only open when the key is turned on. i have forgotten to shut off the petcocks a few times (as i know many of us have), and figured that this might help to remedy this problem. also what would be the best way to wire it so that it came on when the key was on and off when the key is off. any thoughts, comments, and advice would help. i have done a little research and found some the i think will work http://www.dan-marc.com/79-afc11112.html , but wanted to get you guys thoughts. thanks in advance

Long thread so I may have missed it but the Pingel (Many here are becoming fans) is the best, easy and cheapest fix IMHO

http://www.amazon.com/Pingel-In-Line...eywords=pingel

[Nightengale]

Long thread so I may have missed it but the Pingel (Many here are becoming fans) is the best, easy and cheapest fix IMHO

http://www.amazon.com/Pingel-In-Line...eywords=pingel

me and my brother(mechanical engineer) are doing some more research to make sure there is no change in flow rate and this option will be less than that. i have read about the pingel but i thin this option will work just as good if not better, but we will see.

[XS1100_OEM4ME]

Fuel Flow

On my bike i have fj1100 carbs which uses a larger diameter fuel lin. My set up is 1/4in. Line off the petcock to a fuel filter, then the 5/16 line going to the carbs. How would this set up effect fuel flow if i use the 1/8 inch shut off valve in place of filter?

I think fuel flow is way to over rated here. Even at only 35 MPG on the freeway you will only drain 2gal per hour, a pin hole in your tank will drain faster then that Next, why count on a electric solenoid for your fuel flow If it fails, you walk, if the electric flow fails, you walk, if it shorts next to your fuel, you fry. The Pingel is open if you have vacuum, if you don't have vacuum, your motor is not running anyway, what could be clearer Must be why Yamaha used vacuum valves when they made these bikes

http://www.amazon.com/Pingel-In-Line...eywords=pingel

[BA80]

Better get rid of that fuel injected car your driving. It has an electric fuel punp SUBMERGED in the fuel in your tank.

[XS1100_OEM4ME]

My Bad

Better get rid of that fuel injected car your driving. It has an electric fuel punp SUBMERGED in the fuel in your tank.

My Bad, I didn't know he was planing on putting a electric fuel pump in his gas tank I will leave this talk to you, I am no expert on that kind of stuff, just glad I don't sit on my car's gas tank with it mounted over my motors exaust

[BA80]

He's not, just sayin'. The valve is a simple electromagnet that controls a valve. An elecric fuel pump (that is submerged in the fuel tank of nearly every modern injected vehicle) is an actual electric motor.

Making an obvious point is all.

[XS1100_OEM4ME]

Me Too

He's not, just sayin'. The valve is a simple electromagnet that controls a valve. An elecric fuel pump (that is submerged in the fuel tank of nearly every modern injected vehicle) is an actual electric motor.

Making an obvious point is all.

Me too, just having fun, the electronic shut valve was standard in the race cars back in the day, and very safe, the 12 volt fuel pumps today are safe also, but the pingel is like the OEM octy, only it is made to work on todays fuel, simple and easy, just a personal choise and no wireing and mod ness. just plug and play

[Nightengale]

i am just trying to find a cheaper alternative, the pingel works fine. i am just trying some thing new and cheap. when i am done taking care of my bills and family it leaves little money for the bike so i am always looking for cheaper ways of doing things. and yes i know cheaper is not always better. and from what i am seeing with the cost of this system it should be about half what the pingle costs. just trying to open other options that will work on these older bikes, since there are not alot of aftermarket parts for these things.

[BA80]

Ha ha ....it is a good idea but with the fluctuating vacuum from just 1 cylinder raises hell with the diapragm. It flutters like crazy. If the vacuum was steady it would be fine.

I had one go TU on me on a 1600 mile trip once. Had to run on prime nearly the whole trip.

[XS1100_OEM4ME]

$$$

i am just trying to find a cheaper alternative, the pingel works fine. i am just trying some thing new and cheap. when i am done taking care of my bills and family it leaves little money for the bike so i am always looking for cheaper ways of doing things. and yes i know cheaper is not always better. and from what i am seeing with the cost of this system it should be about half what the pingle costs. just trying to open other options that will work on these older bikes, since there are not alot of aftermarket parts for these things.

I hear ya, $$$ are tight, and with me also. Back in the day $20,000.00 was a good month, now it's a year With the electric valve you need connectors, wires and mounting stuff as well as fuel line / connectors. With the Pingel, the stock lines and mounting location are OK, might need 3 bucks worth of plastic "T" or "Y" connectors, but heck, what ever works for you is great BikerPhil turned me on to the Pingel, we both sware by them, easy to install and they work, less then I spent on oil changes from wondering "do I have gas in my oil" Good luck with your bike

[DGXSER]

The Pingel is open if you have vacuum, if you don't have vacuum, your motor is not running anyway, what could be clearer

There is the rub, the Pingel is open if IT has vacuum, not if the bike is creating vacuum, same as the old OCTY. Now I am not trying to dis on the Pingel valve, just noting it is not necessarily any more or less reliable than the electronic solenoid valve being investigated.

Being from the era when we ran building control systems off pneumatics, and having seen the advancement and implementation of the electronic controls market, I can tell you for certain there is a reason we do not use much if any pneumatics anymore for controls, cause they were sh!tty. The electronic version are MUCH more reliable.

So, if you can find one that has a 1/4" line and works at 0 PSI, I would be up for one or two of those. Actually, I would try one of the 1/8" ones and see how well it keeps up. I am betting it would be fine.

[Nightengale]

There is the rub, the Pingel is open if IT has vacuum, not if the bike is creating vacuum, same as the old OCTY. Now I am not trying to dis on the Pingel valve, just noting it is not necessarily any more or less reliable than the electronic solenoid valve being investigated.

Being from the era when we ran building control systems off pneumatics, and having seen the advancement and implementation of the electronic controls market, I can tell you for certain there is a reason we do not use much if any pneumatics anymore for controls, cause they were sh!tty. The electronic version are MUCH more reliable.

So, if you can find one that has a 1/4" line and works at 0 PSI, I would be up for one or two of those. Actually, I would try one of the 1/8" ones and see how well it keeps up. I am betting it would be fine.

i have found one on ebay that has 1/4 inch line and works at 0psi so it could be as easy as connecting your fuel line to either side and hooking up two wires

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Electric-Solenoid-1-4-Brass-Valve-Air-Water-Gas-12v-DC-Volt-NPT-w-1-4-Hose-Barb-/121042800820?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c2eb690b4

but still researching to see what else is out there before i commit to any one, i am getting closer to finding one that is just the right fit and price, and i am still not sure about the 1/8" as far as it restricting fuel flow, but i am checking with the manufacture tomorow about that, and be able to use the first one i listed.

[XS1100_OEM4ME]

Thousands

Thousands of us XS owners are useing vacuum fuel shut-off valves with good results, OEM or Pingel type, how many are useing the electric one's and how's that working out Yes, the 30+ year old Octy's ware out, but thousands are still working Let's start a count for the electronic cut-off's and when it gets to the hundreds, will discount the tens of thousands of vacuum cut-off's in service today, nuff said