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  • #16
    Prime

    Originally posted by Cuda 69 View Post
    ok,now im getting two different answers,do I drain the floats and put on prime,or I know the floats are filled now,do I put on prime,or ON,and try starting again.or just put on prime and make sure there's no leaks,and if no leaks,turn to on and try starting.I'd like to to get some sort of sequence to firing this puppy up without burning my garage with all contents down.
    "IF" everything is just like new, and all needles are working like new and everything is sealing like new (and it is on some bikes) then "prim" will just fill the carbs to the right level to start the bike. You said gas flowed out the air box and the bike would not start. i am guessing that everything is not working as new No shock on an antique bike. The info I gave was to make sure your bike didn't back fire and burn to the ground. Drain the air box and overflow from carbs, shut off the fuel flow till you get the bike to fire and burn up the flooded fuel, then start the bike with the least amount of gas in the carbs as needed and let the vacuum open up the fuel flow as the bike needs it, your bike, your call
    1979 XS1100 Special (Mad Max, OEM) Current
    1980 XS1100 Special
    1990 V Max
    1982 KZ750 LTD Twin
    1986 700 FZR Yamaha Fazer (faster then expected)
    1979 XS750 Special (my 1st Special)
    1974 CB750-Four



    Past/pres Car's
    1961 Catalina 389/1970 Torino GT 351/1967GTO 12to1 comp./ Roller cam/ T-10/ 456 gear/Tri-power/1967 GTO 400, 1969 Camaro, 1968 Z28, 2001 BMW M Roadster 0 to 60 in 4.5 sec. Jaguar XK8

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    • #17
      Move your bike OUT of your garage to start it and obtain a proper fire extinguisher JIC

      Dry everything thats not supposed to be fuel laden.

      Make sure your spark plugs are in good shape.

      As stated, turn to prime and observe for a minute, no leaks, turn to on, choke it and try starting, if it still leaks you may have to pull the carbs to do some Spring cleaning.

      Oh...and don't drain the carbs empty anymore
      1980 XS1100G "Dolly G" Full Dresser (with a coat of many colors )
      1979 XS1100SF (stock-euro mods planned)
      1984 XV700L Virago (to be hot-modded)
      1983 XJ750MK Midnight Maxim (semi-restored DD)
      1977 XS650D ( patiently awaiting resto)

      Sometimes it takes a whole tank of gas before you can think straight.

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      • #18
        If your planning to store the bike for an extended period of time, a couple months or so, I would drain the carb bowls to keep the fuel from gumming everything up in there. Yes, you will need to use PRIME to get fuel in the bowls to let the bike start with. As others have suggested, I would definitely be tapping on the bowls as they fill with fuel to keep the sticking float from occurring.

        For shorter storage times, I add SeaFoam to the tank of fuel and then ride it a mile or two to make sure the bowls have got the SeaFoam gas in them.
        Life is what happens while your planning everything else!

        When your work speaks for itself, don't interrupt.

        81 XS1100 Special - Humpty Dumpty
        80 XS1100 Special - Project Resurrection


        Previously owned
        93 GSX600F
        80 XS1100 Special - Ruby
        81 XS1100 Special
        81 CB750 C
        80 CB750 C
        78 XS750

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        • #19
          I've had good luck over the years adding a few ounces of seafoam every other tank full and never have to drain anything and my bikes always start after sitting for months at a time.
          I use the same treatment in my snow thrower and lawn maintenance tools which are only run annually and they always fire right up.
          1980 XS1100G "Dolly G" Full Dresser (with a coat of many colors )
          1979 XS1100SF (stock-euro mods planned)
          1984 XV700L Virago (to be hot-modded)
          1983 XJ750MK Midnight Maxim (semi-restored DD)
          1977 XS650D ( patiently awaiting resto)

          Sometimes it takes a whole tank of gas before you can think straight.

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          • #20
            Thanks all, for the tips,#1) I usually never drain the carbs,usually just add seafoam(which is in the tank)and run for a short time,and put away.#2) I usually start the bike ever couple of weeks(which I did not do this year) Oh well my bad,I checked the carbs tonight on prime,and it doesn't appear to be leaking.I will try starting when the battery is charged fully. With fire extingusher by my side. The reason I drained the carbs,is because it was recommended on here.I know,if something is working,don't change it......
            FOXS-XS11SG

            2009 Suzuki V Strom 650,Adventure in Touring,I call her "Smooth" SW Motech engine guard,Coocase top case w/ LED brake and tail lights,20" MRA touring screen w/adjusable bracket,Grip heaters,fender ex-tender,Givi hard sidebags

            1980 XS11SG-sold
            1999 Vulcan classic-sold
            1982 XJ 650-sold

            Old is only a state of mind......John

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            • #21
              I have run the carbs dry every year since I bought my 79SF. Our winter sleep is from late Oct to at least April and usually May. I have always just turned them to prime just before I hit the starter button to until the bike fired a couple of times. Then I switch it to on.
              While some may disagree, I find that if I leave it on the side stand the gas will run out of the carbs into the airbox if there is a problem. If it is on the center stand then I find it seems to like to run into the motor instead. No matter how hard you look for leaks short of xray vision you will not see it. I always thought that having it on the center stand would be better for prime and it probably is in the long run, but to test for leaks I say try the side stand once the bowls are full. Airbox off will show you much quicker if the carbs are leaking.
              Like I say many will disagree but if leaking carbs are a problem the side stand is your friend to keep gas out of the oil.
              2-79 XS1100 SF
              2-78 XS1100 E Best bike Ever
              80 XS 1100 SG Big bore kit but not fully running yet.
              Couple of more parts bikes of which 2 more will live!

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Cuda 69 View Post
                Thanks all, for the tips,#1) I usually never drain the carbs,usually just add seafoam(which is in the tank)and run for a short time,and put away.#2) I usually start the bike ever couple of weeks(which I did not do this year) Oh well my bad,I checked the carbs tonight on prime,and it doesn't appear to be leaking.I will try starting when the battery is charged fully. With fire extingusher by my side. The reason I drained the carbs,is because it was recommended on here.I know,if something is working,don't change it......
                Years ago, like you stated, I used to start my bikes and VW woods buggy in the cold months but learned that these "grocery getter" heat and cool cycles do more harm than good.
                This practice also leads to, especially in an aluminum engines crankcase, condensation, so I put 'em to sleep and leave 'em there til Spring kicks in.
                Unless temps go above 40*F and I can ride to fully warm the engine, bikes stay parked in the MC

                Good Luck getting your bike started, let us know how you make out.
                P.S. You may want to pick up a pack of Hot Dogs also ;-)
                Last edited by Schming; 02-20-2013, 11:13 PM.
                1980 XS1100G "Dolly G" Full Dresser (with a coat of many colors )
                1979 XS1100SF (stock-euro mods planned)
                1984 XV700L Virago (to be hot-modded)
                1983 XJ750MK Midnight Maxim (semi-restored DD)
                1977 XS650D ( patiently awaiting resto)

                Sometimes it takes a whole tank of gas before you can think straight.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Schming View Post
                  Years ago, like you stated, I used to start my bikes and VW woods buggy in the cold months but learned that these "grocery getter" heat and cool cycles do more harm than good.
                  This practice also leads to, especially in an aluminum engines crankcase, condensation, so I put 'em to sleep and leave 'em there til Spring kicks in.
                  Unless temps go above 40*F and I can ride to fully warm the engine, bikes stay parked in the MC

                  Good Luck getting your bike started, let us know how you make out.
                  P.S. You may want to pick up a pack of Hot Dogs also ;-)
                  Boy, you old farts know all the good stuff.
                  You might also add that if the MC is heated, you might also go down and turn the petcocks to prime for a minute or so every month, just to keep the gas in the bowls from evaporating and leaving the varnish behind. You can drain thick gas in the spring, you can't drain varnish/ gum.
                  AOF, CZ

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                  • #24
                    +1

                    Originally posted by Rasputin View Post
                    I have run the carbs dry every year since I bought my 79SF. Our winter sleep is from late Oct to at least April and usually May. I have always just turned them to prime just before I hit the starter button to until the bike fired a couple of times. Then I switch it to on.
                    While some may disagree, I find that if I leave it on the side stand the gas will run out of the carbs into the airbox if there is a problem. If it is on the center stand then I find it seems to like to run into the motor instead. No matter how hard you look for leaks short of xray vision you will not see it. I always thought that having it on the center stand would be better for prime and it probably is in the long run, but to test for leaks I say try the side stand once the bowls are full. Airbox off will show you much quicker if the carbs are leaking.
                    Like I say many will disagree but if leaking carbs are a problem the side stand is your friend to keep gas out of the oil.
                    +1, back when I had "prim" I found that having the bike ready to start, choke on full, batt charged, tank full of fresh gas, then I would turn to "prim' and hit the starter button, as soon as she fires up, turn to "on". Don't have to worry about anything leaking into the motor
                    1979 XS1100 Special (Mad Max, OEM) Current
                    1980 XS1100 Special
                    1990 V Max
                    1982 KZ750 LTD Twin
                    1986 700 FZR Yamaha Fazer (faster then expected)
                    1979 XS750 Special (my 1st Special)
                    1974 CB750-Four



                    Past/pres Car's
                    1961 Catalina 389/1970 Torino GT 351/1967GTO 12to1 comp./ Roller cam/ T-10/ 456 gear/Tri-power/1967 GTO 400, 1969 Camaro, 1968 Z28, 2001 BMW M Roadster 0 to 60 in 4.5 sec. Jaguar XK8

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Schming View Post

                      Unless temps go above 40*F and I can ride to fully warm the engine, bikes stay parked in the MC

                      ;-)
                      OK, you got me... what is an MC?
                      Skids (Sid Hansen)

                      Down to one 1978 E. Stock air box with K&N filter, 81H pipes and carbs, 8500 feet elevation.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by skids View Post
                        OK, you got me... what is an MC?
                        Come on Skids, your English should be better than that.
                        It is "a" M(an) C(ave)

                        CZ

                        ps Or motorcycle cave

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by skids View Post
                          OK, you got me... what is an MC?
                          Originally posted by CaptonZap View Post
                          Come on Skids, your English should be better than that.
                          It is "a" M(an) C(ave)

                          CZ

                          ps Or motorcycle cave

                          Y'all crack me up.
                          Greg

                          Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”

                          ― Albert Einstein

                          80 SG Ol' Okie;79 engine & carbs w/pods, 45 pilots, 140 mains, Custom Mac 4 into 2 exhaust, ACCT,XS850 final drive,110/90/19 front tire,TKat fork brace, XS750 140 MPH speedometer, Vetter IV fairing, aftermarket hard bags and trunk, LG high back seat, XJ rear shocks.

                          The list changes.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by BA80 View Post
                            Y'all crack me up.
                            My all time favorite was a quote from Pogo, which went;

                            "Do you herd sheep", my grandma asked, my grandpaw jumped in fright,
                            "Your grammer's wrong" he quickly cried,
                            "Have you heard sheep is right"

                            CZ

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                            • #29
                              How would you know your reading writeing written right ?

                              For all you know you could be reading writeing written wrong all your life.
                              1980 XS1100G "Dolly G" Full Dresser (with a coat of many colors )
                              1979 XS1100SF (stock-euro mods planned)
                              1984 XV700L Virago (to be hot-modded)
                              1983 XJ750MK Midnight Maxim (semi-restored DD)
                              1977 XS650D ( patiently awaiting resto)

                              Sometimes it takes a whole tank of gas before you can think straight.

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                              • #30
                                ok,a happy update,went out to the mc and tapped on the bowls for good luck,turned fuel on,and hit the starter,,,,, the old girl woke right up,runs like a champ,and no leaks. Makes for a great Friday. Thanks again for all your help.
                                FOXS-XS11SG

                                2009 Suzuki V Strom 650,Adventure in Touring,I call her "Smooth" SW Motech engine guard,Coocase top case w/ LED brake and tail lights,20" MRA touring screen w/adjusable bracket,Grip heaters,fender ex-tender,Givi hard sidebags

                                1980 XS11SG-sold
                                1999 Vulcan classic-sold
                                1982 XJ 650-sold

                                Old is only a state of mind......John

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