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  • joeysr20det
    XSive
    • Jun 2008
    • 23
    #1

    New Coils use ballast resistor and resistor caps?

    I've got a 79 xs1100 special. It has factory coils, a ballast resistor and 5K caps I believe; all factory and untouched. Anyway, long story short, I ran the coils with the wires disconnected while hooking up my sache ignition system and I'm pretty sure I've kill the 2 and 3 cylinder coil; weak spark and the cylinders don't fire.

    My question is, if I buy a set of Dyna coils, do I still use the ballast resistor? Since the wires and caps are being replaced as well, do I need to use 5K resistance caps as well?

    Sorry if there is an answer to these two questions, but I searched and searched the forum and couldn't find I definite answer.

    Thanks guys

    Joey
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    • crazy steve
      XS-XJ Guru MODERATOR
      • Jan 2009
      • 7932
      • Beautiful outer Yelm, WA
      #2
      For the ballast resistor, it depends on which coils you buy; if you look at the original tip in the 'repairs' forum (http://www.xs11.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4868), if you use 1.5 ohm coils you still need the resistor. Switching to 3 ohm coils is better as it eliminates the resistor and gives a hotter spark.

      As to the plug cap resistors, they're really not needed for operation of the bike BUT you will generate radio-frequency interference if running the OEM non-resistor plugs (and maybe even with resistor plugs). This may or may not cause you trouble (police don't like stuff that interferes with their radios), your call. But the resistor plug caps are cheap ($3-5 each), will allow you to run more-durable solid-core wires, and are easy to replace if one fails.

      edit: I missed the bit about the aftermarket ignition; you'll need to check it's specs to see what primary coil resistance it's rated for....
      Last edited by crazy steve; 04-25-2012, 10:11 AM.
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        • joeysr20det
          XSive
          • Jun 2008
          • 23
          #3
          awesome thanks man. 3 ohm coils, no ballast, resistor caps, and new wires on the way. I really appreciate the input.

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            • James England
              XS-XJ Super Guru
              • Oct 2010
              • 3039
              • North of England
              #4
              If you use Iridium plugs, you can remove the resistors in the plug caps or use non-resistor ones. Iridium plugs have built-in resistors.
              XS1100F 1980 European model. Standard. Dyna coils. Iridium plugs. XS750 final drive (sometimes). Micron fork brace. Progressive front springs. Geezer regulator/rectifier. Stainless 4 into 2 exhaust. Auto CCT (Venturer 1300) SOLD. New project now on the go. 1980 European model.

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                • joeysr20det
                  XSive
                  • Jun 2008
                  • 23
                  #5
                  ok cool. I may do that. I've read they do help out our bikes a good bit. Thanks

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                    • James England
                      XS-XJ Super Guru
                      • Oct 2010
                      • 3039
                      • North of England
                      #6
                      Originally posted by joeysr20det
                      ok cool. I may do that. I've read they do help out our bikes a good bit. Thanks
                      I use them in all bikes I have. Well worth it, especially on the XS1100's which do have a weak spark at the best of times...
                      XS1100F 1980 European model. Standard. Dyna coils. Iridium plugs. XS750 final drive (sometimes). Micron fork brace. Progressive front springs. Geezer regulator/rectifier. Stainless 4 into 2 exhaust. Auto CCT (Venturer 1300) SOLD. New project now on the go. 1980 European model.

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                        • BA80
                          Doctor of XSology
                          • Oct 2010
                          • 9980
                          • Tulsa, Ok
                          #7
                          Are XJ coils the same as the 81 XS?
                          Greg

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                          ― Albert Einstein

                          80 SG Ol' Okie;79 engine & carbs w/pods, 45 pilots, 140 mains, Custom Mac 4 into 2 exhaust, ACCT,XS850 final drive,110/90/19 front tire,TKat fork brace, XS750 140 MPH speedometer, Vetter IV fairing, aftermarket hard bags and trunk, LG high back seat, XJ rear shocks.

                          The list changes.

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                            • crazy steve
                              XS-XJ Guru MODERATOR
                              • Jan 2009
                              • 7932
                              • Beautiful outer Yelm, WA
                              #8
                              Originally posted by BA80
                              Are XJ coils the same as the 81 XS?
                              Supposed to be... I checked my XJ coils a few days ago to see if they were both good (one is bad) and looked up the factory specs. Primary resistance is 2.5 ohms (not the 3 ohms generally noted for the '81 coil) and secondary resistance is only 11K ohms.
                              Fast, Cheap, Reliable... Pick any two

                              '78E original owner - resto project
                              '78E ???? owner - Modder project FJ forks, 4-piston calipers F/R, 160/80-16 rear tire
                              '82 XJ rebuild project
                              '80SG restified, red SOLD
                              '79F parts...
                              '81H more parts...

                              Other current bikes:
                              '93 XL1200 Anniversary Sportster 85RWHP
                              '86 XL883/1200 Chopper
                              '82 XL1000 w/1450cc Buell, Baker 6-speed, in-progress project
                              Cage: '13 Mustang GT/CS with a few 'custom' touches
                              Yep, can't leave nuthin' alone...

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                                • BA80
                                  Doctor of XSology
                                  • Oct 2010
                                  • 9980
                                  • Tulsa, Ok
                                  #9
                                  The coils on my SG are off of a SH but I'm still running the resistor. I need to check the numbers and see if I can remove the resistor I guess.
                                  Greg

                                  Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”

                                  ― Albert Einstein

                                  80 SG Ol' Okie;79 engine & carbs w/pods, 45 pilots, 140 mains, Custom Mac 4 into 2 exhaust, ACCT,XS850 final drive,110/90/19 front tire,TKat fork brace, XS750 140 MPH speedometer, Vetter IV fairing, aftermarket hard bags and trunk, LG high back seat, XJ rear shocks.

                                  The list changes.

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                                    • bikerphil
                                      Master of XSology
                                      • Jan 2008
                                      • 8640
                                      • South Flori-DUH
                                      #10
                                      The earlier 1.5 ohm coils should be stamped "run with a ballast resistor" and the later 3 ohm units are not stamped.
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                                        • TopCatGr58
                                          Administrator
                                          • Jul 2002
                                          • 12650
                                          • Portsmouth, Va.
                                          #11
                                          Originally posted by crazy steve
                                          edit: I missed the bit about the aftermarket ignition; you'll need to check it's specs to see what primary coil resistance it's rated for....

                                          Steve, he misspelled the ignition name, it's Sachse, here's their web page, german, but they have broken english, then browse to the XS1100 model selection!

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                                          http://www.elektronik-sachse.de/index_en.htm


                                          In both their description and later in their installation instructions:
                                          http://www.elektronik-sachse.de/ZDG3..._xs1100_en.htm they refer to the TCI as a CDI, but they don't mention any need for any other low resistance coils. Part of their specs says something about Controlled Dwell angle....maintaining a 4 ms dwell angle/time throughout the rpm range to allow the coils to have enough time to properly "charge" before discharging.

                                          SO....it looks like a system that is designed to work with the older style coils, not the newer low resistance CDI type coils!

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                                            • crazy steve
                                              XS-XJ Guru MODERATOR
                                              • Jan 2009
                                              • 7932
                                              • Beautiful outer Yelm, WA
                                              #12
                                              If it's got 'dwell control', that means it can run the newer style coils like Dyna's 'minature' series. I looked at these for replacement of the stock coils (much better physical fit), but the OEM ignitions' lack of dwell control ruled them out...
                                              Fast, Cheap, Reliable... Pick any two

                                              '78E original owner - resto project
                                              '78E ???? owner - Modder project FJ forks, 4-piston calipers F/R, 160/80-16 rear tire
                                              '82 XJ rebuild project
                                              '80SG restified, red SOLD
                                              '79F parts...
                                              '81H more parts...

                                              Other current bikes:
                                              '93 XL1200 Anniversary Sportster 85RWHP
                                              '86 XL883/1200 Chopper
                                              '82 XL1000 w/1450cc Buell, Baker 6-speed, in-progress project
                                              Cage: '13 Mustang GT/CS with a few 'custom' touches
                                              Yep, can't leave nuthin' alone...

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                                                • joeysr20det
                                                  XSive
                                                  • Jun 2008
                                                  • 23
                                                  #13
                                                  I'm finally getting a chance this afternoon to put my coils in. I got the Dyna 3 ohm coils, gonna bypass the ballast resistor, an I got NGK 5K caps. You guys have any advice on possibly a big spark plug gap? Or probably just stay stock?

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                                                    • crazy steve
                                                      XS-XJ Guru MODERATOR
                                                      • Jan 2009
                                                      • 7932
                                                      • Beautiful outer Yelm, WA
                                                      #14
                                                      If you decide to open the gap up, don't go over .035". Stock is .028-.032", most use .030". I'd stick with the stock gap...
                                                      Fast, Cheap, Reliable... Pick any two

                                                      '78E original owner - resto project
                                                      '78E ???? owner - Modder project FJ forks, 4-piston calipers F/R, 160/80-16 rear tire
                                                      '82 XJ rebuild project
                                                      '80SG restified, red SOLD
                                                      '79F parts...
                                                      '81H more parts...

                                                      Other current bikes:
                                                      '93 XL1200 Anniversary Sportster 85RWHP
                                                      '86 XL883/1200 Chopper
                                                      '82 XL1000 w/1450cc Buell, Baker 6-speed, in-progress project
                                                      Cage: '13 Mustang GT/CS with a few 'custom' touches
                                                      Yep, can't leave nuthin' alone...

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                                                        • joeysr20det
                                                          XSive
                                                          • Jun 2008
                                                          • 23
                                                          #15
                                                          ok I'll stick with 030.

                                                          One more silly question and I think I'm good. Does anyone know if the 1100 will run on open pipes; no mufflers/baffles? I imagine this bike has to have some sort of back pressure to run well.

                                                          I just ask because I'm rebuilding my bike from scratch and the super traps that were on it were half dented closed and pretty much destroyed. So right now I just have the stock pipes minus mufflers.

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