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    Got my bike all put back together ... And the s.o.b. wont start. Before I yank the harness out I want to be 100% that the bike will run with simple wiring. There are so many b.s. ground points on that bike it's ridiculous! In my head I don't see why not but again, I want to be sure. Here's the facts:
    1. I am running NOTHING but a head light and tail light.
    2. I bought a new fuse box from TC that will be wired up as soon as I get it.
    3. Can I wire something straight from the ignition to the starter, fuse box and and ground it at the battery and be done with it?
    4. Just want to clarify that I have nothing on my bike but a head light and tail light!
    ~Jay
    Guilty Ones M.C.
    Manassas, Va.

    1980 Standard G
    2001 CBR 929RR

  • #2
    Good luck with that. I am not that great at anything electrical but I am in no position to help when you have removed so many components that may or may not be vital. If it was stock there would be many more here who could help, but a chopped up wiring harness is very hard to diagnose. By the way I really do wish you luck and I am not trying to be sarcastic in any way.
    2-79 XS1100 SF
    2-78 XS1100 E Best bike Ever
    80 XS 1100 SG Big bore kit but not fully running yet.
    Couple of more parts bikes of which 2 more will live!

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Rasputin View Post
      Good luck with that. I am not that great at anything electrical but I am in no position to help when you have removed so many components that may or may not be vital. If it was stock there would be many more here who could help, but a chopped up wiring harness is very hard to diagnose. By the way I really do wish you luck and I am not trying to be sarcastic in any way.
      I don't see them as vital components if they are not required by law in my state. =) I don't want to diagnose the harness I want to get rid of the damn thing, lol. I have no hard feelings towards your comment though. Thanks for wishing me luck.
      ~Jay
      Guilty Ones M.C.
      Manassas, Va.

      1980 Standard G
      2001 CBR 929RR

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      • #4
        You didn't mention what other things you have removed/kept in there, but remember that you do need the regulator/rectifier and the alternator in that circuit somewhere. The battery alone won't run the bike.
        1980 XS850SG - Sold
        1981 XS1100LH Midnight Special (Sold) - purchased 9/29/08
        Fully Vetterized and Dynojet Kit added, Heated Grips, Truck-Lite LED headlight, Accel Coils, Irridium plugs, TKAT Fork Brace, XS850LH Final Drive & Black SS Brake lines from Chacal.
        Here's my web page devoted to my bike! XS/XJ User's Manuals there, and the XJ1100 Service Manual and both XS1100 Service manuals (free download!).

        Whether you think you can, or you think you cannot - You're right.
        -H. Ford

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        • #5
          Originally posted by CatatonicBug View Post
          You didn't mention what other things you have removed/kept in there, but remember that you do need the regulator/rectifier and the alternator in that circuit somewhere. The battery alone won't run the bike.
          Yea the little silver box under the seat, I still have it. Coils and everything are still there ... The only thing I have is head light and tail light that I need to "run". The alternator of course is still there too. Basically all the simple **** is gone. Here's a diagram of what I have in mind on doing this weekend.

          http://cycles.evanfell.com/wp-conten..._Evan_Fell.png

          I just received a fuse box from TC so I'm planning on tearing out the old harness Friday
          ~Jay
          Guilty Ones M.C.
          Manassas, Va.

          1980 Standard G
          2001 CBR 929RR

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          • #6
            That diagram is lacking a lot of stuff.... it's designed for a points-type ignition and permanent-magnet alternator, neither of which you have. It also lacks speedo wiring, the second brake light switch, horn, and a high/low beam indicator light, all of which are required in your state (that's according to Virginia MV regs; I looked). You don't need turns or a tach, but pretty much everything else....
            Fast, Cheap, Reliable... Pick any two

            '78E original owner - resto project
            '78E ???? owner - Modder project FJ forks, 4-piston calipers F/R, 160/80-16 rear tire
            '82 XJ rebuild project
            '80SG restified, red SOLD
            '79F parts...
            '81H more parts...

            Other current bikes:
            '93 XL1200 Anniversary Sportster 85RWHP
            '86 XL883/1200 Chopper
            '82 XL1000 w/1450cc Buell, Baker 6-speed, in-progress project
            Cage: '13 Mustang GT/CS with a few 'custom' touches
            Yep, can't leave nuthin' alone...

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            • #7
              TCI or another setup

              There is one other thing that you may need to get it to run that is the TCI transister controled ignition system. The TCI is wired into the start circuit so you will need to account for these connections or install a points system. Another thing is even though your state does not require certian safty items on the bike your insurance may in certian circumstances use these as an excuse not to pay should an accident happen. Like the emergency kill switch and the tip switch. These are just things that you need to think a moment on. If you do not have a full wiring diagram and diagrams of these systems you can do a search here and find them. If you are still using the TCI you will need to still make the connections to it even if the stop switch, emergency switch and changes to start circuit are made. Just helping you identify the interdependancy of some things that make rewiring not so simple.
              To fix the problem one should not make more assumptions than the minimum needed.

              Rodan
              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khm6...liHntN91DHjHiS
              1980 G Silverbird
              Original Yamaha Fairfing and Bags
              1198 Overbore kit
              Grizzly 660 ACCT
              Barnett Clutch Springs
              R1 Clutch Fiber Plates
              122.5 Main Jets
              ACCT Mod
              Mac 4-2 Flare Tips
              Antivibe Bar ends
              Rear trunk add-on
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              • #8
                Originally posted by crazy steve View Post
                That diagram is lacking a lot of stuff.... it's designed for a points-type ignition and permanent-magnet alternator, neither of which you have. It also lacks speedo wiring, the second brake light switch, horn, and a high/low beam indicator light, all of which are required in your state (that's according to Virginia MV regs; I looked). You don't need turns or a tach, but pretty much everything else....
                That is just something for me to go off of. Of course I need to wire the handlebar brake switch as well as the foot switch. I do not have a speedometer or a horn on my bike. And I don't care about high-low beam headlight switches as long as it is on during the day and night. I don't know what site you are looking at, but none of that is necessary for MOTORCYCLES coming from the Virginia State Police, or the AMA. I looked too.
                ~Jay
                Guilty Ones M.C.
                Manassas, Va.

                1980 Standard G
                2001 CBR 929RR

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by 'OlGuiltyBoy View Post
                  ....I don't know what site you are looking at, but none of that is necessary for MOTORCYCLES coming from the Virginia State Police, or the AMA. I looked too.
                  State MV regulations.... 46.2-1033, 46.2-1059, 46.2-1080

                  Look here: http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp...10000000000000
                  Fast, Cheap, Reliable... Pick any two

                  '78E original owner - resto project
                  '78E ???? owner - Modder project FJ forks, 4-piston calipers F/R, 160/80-16 rear tire
                  '82 XJ rebuild project
                  '80SG restified, red SOLD
                  '79F parts...
                  '81H more parts...

                  Other current bikes:
                  '93 XL1200 Anniversary Sportster 85RWHP
                  '86 XL883/1200 Chopper
                  '82 XL1000 w/1450cc Buell, Baker 6-speed, in-progress project
                  Cage: '13 Mustang GT/CS with a few 'custom' touches
                  Yep, can't leave nuthin' alone...

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by crazy steve View Post
                    State MV regulations.... 46.2-1033, 46.2-1059, 46.2-1080

                    Look here: http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp...10000000000000
                    That is referring to cars dude. I suppose the section about hood scoops and the "slow moving vehicle" signs are for motorcycles too ...
                    ~Jay
                    Guilty Ones M.C.
                    Manassas, Va.

                    1980 Standard G
                    2001 CBR 929RR

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                    • #11
                      No, if you go through and look, where the regs are different for motorcycles it's noted, and either tells what the difference is or refers you to the motorcycle-specific regulation. If it only says 'motor vehicle', that means anything with a motor that rolls on a public road.

                      The AMA site is notoriously unreliable, and believing what a LEO tells you is a good way to get a ticket; BTDT. I've learned to check, not believe second-hand info....

                      It's up to you, you'll be the one maybe getting the ticket....
                      Fast, Cheap, Reliable... Pick any two

                      '78E original owner - resto project
                      '78E ???? owner - Modder project FJ forks, 4-piston calipers F/R, 160/80-16 rear tire
                      '82 XJ rebuild project
                      '80SG restified, red SOLD
                      '79F parts...
                      '81H more parts...

                      Other current bikes:
                      '93 XL1200 Anniversary Sportster 85RWHP
                      '86 XL883/1200 Chopper
                      '82 XL1000 w/1450cc Buell, Baker 6-speed, in-progress project
                      Cage: '13 Mustang GT/CS with a few 'custom' touches
                      Yep, can't leave nuthin' alone...

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by 'OlGuiltyBoy View Post
                        ...but none of that is necessary for MOTORCYCLES coming from the Virginia State Police...
                        Tell you what; go down to one of their offices and ask for a signed statement on State Police stationary to that effect; if you get it, it will at least be a good defense if you end up in court...
                        Fast, Cheap, Reliable... Pick any two

                        '78E original owner - resto project
                        '78E ???? owner - Modder project FJ forks, 4-piston calipers F/R, 160/80-16 rear tire
                        '82 XJ rebuild project
                        '80SG restified, red SOLD
                        '79F parts...
                        '81H more parts...

                        Other current bikes:
                        '93 XL1200 Anniversary Sportster 85RWHP
                        '86 XL883/1200 Chopper
                        '82 XL1000 w/1450cc Buell, Baker 6-speed, in-progress project
                        Cage: '13 Mustang GT/CS with a few 'custom' touches
                        Yep, can't leave nuthin' alone...

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                        • #13
                          The whole point here is simple :

                          I need help wiring my bike for the bare minimum. I stated what I have to work with, and wanted simple advice while wondering if I wired the coils, starter, alternator and questioning whatever else is a must while running only what I have. I don't need or want all that other **** on my bike! I don't give a damn what the laws are in my state! And I couldn't give two ****s if my insurance company will get pissed at me for not having a horn on my bike. People asks questions around here and NEVER get a straight answer. I have never ever been part of a forum where people try to dissuade you from every little thing you try to do!
                          ~Jay
                          Guilty Ones M.C.
                          Manassas, Va.

                          1980 Standard G
                          2001 CBR 929RR

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                          • #14
                            Whoa up there big guy! Everyone here will help as best they can but Geeze give us a break. We for the most part deal with non-chopped bikes. Do not get mad if someone is simply pointing out what may or may not be an issue for where you live. You will get more results if you use honey instead of vinegar. Trust me on that.
                            2-79 XS1100 SF
                            2-78 XS1100 E Best bike Ever
                            80 XS 1100 SG Big bore kit but not fully running yet.
                            Couple of more parts bikes of which 2 more will live!

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                            • #15
                              I see why Chop and everybody else left ... Myself shall be included! After I get it running, I'm gonna drive it off a cliff, set it on fire and then put it in a crusher and post pictures for all you anal retentive purists... Thanks for nothing xs11.com
                              ~Jay
                              Guilty Ones M.C.
                              Manassas, Va.

                              1980 Standard G
                              2001 CBR 929RR

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