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  • #1

    Air jets

    I got a new set of carbs, thanks to tv5150, but the air jets that came in it are 210's....my question is this...

    I was running 145 mains and 45 pilots, with the stock 180 air jets...i have 4-1 kerker, no baffle, and pod filters...i did find problems in the carbs, but i had very poor mpgs, like around 27mpg....thinking i was running too rich....im gonna try 142.5 mains, 45 pilots, and what should I do with the air jets, the 180's or the 210's?
    79 XS11 special "Loki" - homemade 4-2 exhaust, pod filters, rebuilt forks with progressive springs, tkat fork brace, progressive shocks, rebuilt all brakes and MC's, rebuilt carbs with #142.5 main and #42.5 pilot, a custom front and chin fairing, and a handmade set of saddlebags....

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    Wolf
    Moto Militia MC
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  • #2
    210's are what came stock in the '78 carbs. Either will work, just gotta tune things.
    Nathan
    KD9ARL

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    1978 XS1100E
    K&N Filter
    #45 pilot Jet, #137.5 Main Jet
    OEM Exhaust
    ATK Fork Brace
    LED Dash lights
    Ammeter, Oil Pressure, Oil Temp, and Volt Meters
    Green Monster Coils
    SS Brake Lines
    Vision 550 Auto Tensioner

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    • #3
      Check again nate.....

      Greg

      Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”

      ― Albert Einstein

      80 SG Ol' Okie;79 engine & carbs w/pods, 45 pilots, 140 mains, Custom Mac 4 into 2 exhaust, ACCT,XS850 final drive,110/90/19 front tire,TKat fork brace, XS750 140 MPH speedometer, Vetter IV fairing, aftermarket hard bags and trunk, LG high back seat, XJ rear shocks.

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      • #4
        Yeah and no matter how many times you post that chart Greg it is still wrong!

        '78's came with 210's. In '79 they went to the 180's.
        Nathan
        KD9ARL

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        1978 XS1100E
        K&N Filter
        #45 pilot Jet, #137.5 Main Jet
        OEM Exhaust
        ATK Fork Brace
        LED Dash lights
        Ammeter, Oil Pressure, Oil Temp, and Volt Meters
        Green Monster Coils
        SS Brake Lines
        Vision 550 Auto Tensioner

        In any moment of decision the best thing you can do is the right thing, the next best thing is the wrong thing, and the worst thing you can do is nothing.

        Theodore Roosevelt

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        • #5
          Two different charts say the same thing Nate. Are they both wrong?

          Not trying to be an XSokieSPECIAL but where do you get your numbers.
          Greg

          Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”

          ― Albert Einstein

          80 SG Ol' Okie;79 engine & carbs w/pods, 45 pilots, 140 mains, Custom Mac 4 into 2 exhaust, ACCT,XS850 final drive,110/90/19 front tire,TKat fork brace, XS750 140 MPH speedometer, Vetter IV fairing, aftermarket hard bags and trunk, LG high back seat, XJ rear shocks.

          The list changes.

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          • #6
            A chart scanned from a manual (the one here) and a chart typed out by someone probably copying it from the manual does not necessarily constitute 2 separate charts. Manuals do make mistakes.

            When I found 210's in my carbs and asked wtf was up (cause I had seen that chart) I was told by many people that the chart was wrong. Also since this comes up somewhat frequantly that new people that have '78's find the 210's and wonder the same thing I would again tend to agree that the chart is wrong.
            Nathan
            KD9ARL

            μολὼν λαβέ

            1978 XS1100E
            K&N Filter
            #45 pilot Jet, #137.5 Main Jet
            OEM Exhaust
            ATK Fork Brace
            LED Dash lights
            Ammeter, Oil Pressure, Oil Temp, and Volt Meters
            Green Monster Coils
            SS Brake Lines
            Vision 550 Auto Tensioner

            In any moment of decision the best thing you can do is the right thing, the next best thing is the wrong thing, and the worst thing you can do is nothing.

            Theodore Roosevelt

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            • #7
              Those are two separate charts from two different continents.

              Please copy and past what you found. Inquiring minds want to know.
              Greg

              Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”

              ― Albert Einstein

              80 SG Ol' Okie;79 engine & carbs w/pods, 45 pilots, 140 mains, Custom Mac 4 into 2 exhaust, ACCT,XS850 final drive,110/90/19 front tire,TKat fork brace, XS750 140 MPH speedometer, Vetter IV fairing, aftermarket hard bags and trunk, LG high back seat, XJ rear shocks.

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              • #8
                Every manual I have accessed says the 180 is the correct number. While I may be wrong as I have been many times before the 180 number stands in all my books.
                2-79 XS1100 SF
                2-78 XS1100 E Best bike Ever
                80 XS 1100 SG Big bore kit but not fully running yet.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by BA80 View Post
                  Those are two separate charts from two different continents.

                  Please copy and past what you found. Inquiring minds want to know.
                  That would have been a thread from ages ago! I don't want to go through all those old thread trying to find that!
                  Nathan
                  KD9ARL

                  μολὼν λαβέ

                  1978 XS1100E
                  K&N Filter
                  #45 pilot Jet, #137.5 Main Jet
                  OEM Exhaust
                  ATK Fork Brace
                  LED Dash lights
                  Ammeter, Oil Pressure, Oil Temp, and Volt Meters
                  Green Monster Coils
                  SS Brake Lines
                  Vision 550 Auto Tensioner

                  In any moment of decision the best thing you can do is the right thing, the next best thing is the wrong thing, and the worst thing you can do is nothing.

                  Theodore Roosevelt

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                  • #10
                    so keep the 180's or try the 210's?
                    79 XS11 special "Loki" - homemade 4-2 exhaust, pod filters, rebuilt forks with progressive springs, tkat fork brace, progressive shocks, rebuilt all brakes and MC's, rebuilt carbs with #142.5 main and #42.5 pilot, a custom front and chin fairing, and a handmade set of saddlebags....

                    09 YZF-R1 " Toothless"

                    04 Buell XB12R "Butterfly"

                    "I had a name at some point, a birth-name, but now everyone just calls me Wolf...."

                    Wolf
                    Moto Militia MC

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                    • #11
                      I would tune to the 180's myself. The whole Kerker with no baffles will negate any common knowledge. I had done the whole pod thing before. I had to go up at least one size on the idle/air. The pods will make the carbs harder but not impossible. Good luck.
                      2-79 XS1100 SF
                      2-78 XS1100 E Best bike Ever
                      80 XS 1100 SG Big bore kit but not fully running yet.
                      Couple of more parts bikes of which 2 more will live!

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                      • #12
                        I would think 210s would be WAY too rich. 180s and 185s is all that I can see was ever run and the 185s were in the 80 81 models.
                        Greg

                        Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”

                        ― Albert Einstein

                        80 SG Ol' Okie;79 engine & carbs w/pods, 45 pilots, 140 mains, Custom Mac 4 into 2 exhaust, ACCT,XS850 final drive,110/90/19 front tire,TKat fork brace, XS750 140 MPH speedometer, Vetter IV fairing, aftermarket hard bags and trunk, LG high back seat, XJ rear shocks.

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                        • #13
                          I can tell you this, because I tried it. The later model cab's air jets are a different thread than the earlier carbs. If you force the wrong jet in, it can bugger the threads.

                          There was a guy on this list long ago that said air jet sizes have less to do with richness than the sizes of fuel jets. If I remember correctly, he said that if you go increase the air jet size by 10, it is like going down with one size on the fuel jet. I think most people don't mess with the air jets...
                          Skids (Sid Hansen)

                          Down to one 1978 E. Stock air box with K&N filter, 81H pipes and carbs, 8500 feet elevation.

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                          • #14
                            I've personally seen both sizes in the '78 carbs, so some did come with the 210 jets. Maybe that was a early-production thing, who knows...
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                            • #15
                              Now that I think about it skids, a larger air jet would lean it not not richen it. that makes sense.
                              Greg

                              Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”

                              ― Albert Einstein

                              80 SG Ol' Okie;79 engine & carbs w/pods, 45 pilots, 140 mains, Custom Mac 4 into 2 exhaust, ACCT,XS850 final drive,110/90/19 front tire,TKat fork brace, XS750 140 MPH speedometer, Vetter IV fairing, aftermarket hard bags and trunk, LG high back seat, XJ rear shocks.

                              The list changes.

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