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  • #1

    moving along, next step

    Ok, carbs ready, now for the bike herself....
    put it in first and tried to turn the rear wheel
    nothing....how to tell if the engine will/is moving? or is there another way? put a little marvel in each plug hole, maybe a spoon full or so. Add more, or what should we try?
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  • #2
    Ok, stupid question first. Is the bike in neutral?? If it is not in neutral you will have a very hard time turning the wheel with the engine engaged, and it will be pretty tough to turn the engine over by pushing the bike with the engine engaged form a dead stop.

    I would make sure the trans is in neutral, remove the timing cover from the engine, and use either a cresent wrench on the timing plate or an allen head socket in the timing plate bolt to turn the engine over, recall this one turns clockwise from that side, reverse from alot of bike engines.
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    81 XS1100 Special - Humpty Dumpty
    80 XS1100 Special - Project Resurrection


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    • #3
      IIRC Sparky, your bike is a 79. Correct?

      I'm assuming the starter isn't working for some reason. No good battery?

      A 79 has a kick start option on the engine. Do you have the kick starter?

      Lots of question marks isn't it.
      Greg

      Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”

      ― Albert Einstein

      80 SG Ol' Okie;79 engine & carbs w/pods, 45 pilots, 140 mains, Custom Mac 4 into 2 exhaust, ACCT,XS850 final drive,110/90/19 front tire,TKat fork brace, XS750 140 MPH speedometer, Vetter IV fairing, aftermarket hard bags and trunk, LG high back seat, XJ rear shocks.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by BA80 View Post
        IIRC Sparky, your bike is a 79. Correct?

        I'm assuming the starter isn't working for some reason. No good battery?

        A 79 has a kick start option on the engine. Do you have the kick starter?

        Lots of question marks isn't it.
        My 79 has a kick start option... what a bear that is to try! it was about as much fun as trying the pull starter on an old 6 cylinder 2stroke Merc outboard.

        plugs out, timing cover off (on left side of motor) big wrench on timing plate, rotate clockwise. You can use a good amount of Mistery Oil or Sea Foam and not hurt anything if plugs are out. might make a mess thou... my .02
        Don
        1979 XS1100SF "Old Man" bought by my Dad brand new in 79, customized in 80 with Vetter, Standard tank, and touring seat. I inherited in 02 when Dad passed. Been riding it since 09. No resto, bike is a survivor...

        2007 RoadStar 1700 Midnight Silverado "The Black Pearl" Cobra Slash-downs, K&N filter. More mods to come


        old:
        1989 kawi ex500
        1996 yzf-r6
        1999 yzf-r1
        2001 kawi zx-6r
        2000 Ducati 748
        2002 YZF-R1
        2005 V-Star 1100 Classic

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        • #5
          Hmmm, My SG has a 79 engine and that kick start has saved me a long walk before.

          IMHO these 1100s are a lot easier to kick start than some of the old Harleys I've kicked....................and had them kick back.
          Greg

          Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”

          ― Albert Einstein

          80 SG Ol' Okie;79 engine & carbs w/pods, 45 pilots, 140 mains, Custom Mac 4 into 2 exhaust, ACCT,XS850 final drive,110/90/19 front tire,TKat fork brace, XS750 140 MPH speedometer, Vetter IV fairing, aftermarket hard bags and trunk, LG high back seat, XJ rear shocks.

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          • #6
            I've never had any luck trying to kick mine and get it started... mine don't like to idle if the battery is dead. Probably due to WAY too many electronics taxing the charging system. I carry the kick starter in the trunk on trips for just in case purposes... but I would assume its designed to start it. Just my experience.
            Don
            1979 XS1100SF "Old Man" bought by my Dad brand new in 79, customized in 80 with Vetter, Standard tank, and touring seat. I inherited in 02 when Dad passed. Been riding it since 09. No resto, bike is a survivor...

            2007 RoadStar 1700 Midnight Silverado "The Black Pearl" Cobra Slash-downs, K&N filter. More mods to come


            old:
            1989 kawi ex500
            1996 yzf-r6
            1999 yzf-r1
            2001 kawi zx-6r
            2000 Ducati 748
            2002 YZF-R1
            2005 V-Star 1100 Classic

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            • #7
              I had a battery go south on me last spring. Damn thing started just fine at the house.

              Rode it to the store and when I came out the battery wouldn't spin the engine over even once so I pulled the kicker out of the saddle bags and stuck it on. Kicked that thing ONE time and it started right up.

              When I got home I checked the battery. It showed 12+ volts but measured only about 20 CCA. I rode it like that for a day or two until I could get over and purchase a new battery.

              This engine was suprisingly easy to kick over.



              Sorry sparky, didn't mean to wander. That's what happens when you get old......
              Greg

              Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”

              ― Albert Einstein

              80 SG Ol' Okie;79 engine & carbs w/pods, 45 pilots, 140 mains, Custom Mac 4 into 2 exhaust, ACCT,XS850 final drive,110/90/19 front tire,TKat fork brace, XS750 140 MPH speedometer, Vetter IV fairing, aftermarket hard bags and trunk, LG high back seat, XJ rear shocks.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by BA80 View Post
                I had a battery go south on me last spring. Damn thing started just fine at the house.

                Rode it to the store and when I came out the battery wouldn't spin the engine over even once so I pulled the kicker out of the saddle bags and stuck it on. Kicked that thing ONE time and it started right up.

                When I got home I checked the battery. It showed 12+ volts but measured only about 20 CCA. I rode it like that for a day or two until I could get over and purchase a new battery.

                This engine was suprisingly easy to kick over.



                Sorry sparky, didn't mean to wander. That's what happens when you get old......

                or just easily distracted like me
                Don
                1979 XS1100SF "Old Man" bought by my Dad brand new in 79, customized in 80 with Vetter, Standard tank, and touring seat. I inherited in 02 when Dad passed. Been riding it since 09. No resto, bike is a survivor...

                2007 RoadStar 1700 Midnight Silverado "The Black Pearl" Cobra Slash-downs, K&N filter. More mods to come


                old:
                1989 kawi ex500
                1996 yzf-r6
                1999 yzf-r1
                2001 kawi zx-6r
                2000 Ducati 748
                2002 YZF-R1
                2005 V-Star 1100 Classic

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                • #9
                  I could be wrong but if the TCI doesnt have enough volts you still wont be able to kick start it.
                  1980 XS1100 SG
                  Inline fuel filters
                  New wires in old coils-outer spark plugs
                  160 mph speedometer mod
                  Kerker Exhaust
                  xschop K & N air filter setup
                  Dynojet Recalibration kit
                  1999 Kawasaki ZRX1100
                  1997 Jeep Cherokee 4.5"lift installed

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                  • #10
                    Am I reading you correctly and you are trying to determine if your engine is frozen in a cylinder or two and trying to break it free?
                    Can't beat the smell of gas & oil

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by oldyam80sg View Post
                      I could be wrong but if the TCI doesnt have enough volts you still wont be able to kick start it.
                      Originally posted by Lonerider62 View Post
                      Am I reading you correctly and you are trying to determine if your engine is frozen in a cylinder or two and trying to break it free?
                      It sounds like she is just trying to get it to turn over.
                      Greg

                      Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”

                      ― Albert Einstein

                      80 SG Ol' Okie;79 engine & carbs w/pods, 45 pilots, 140 mains, Custom Mac 4 into 2 exhaust, ACCT,XS850 final drive,110/90/19 front tire,TKat fork brace, XS750 140 MPH speedometer, Vetter IV fairing, aftermarket hard bags and trunk, LG high back seat, XJ rear shocks.

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                      • #12
                        Why carry the kick lever in saddle bags, why not just put it where it belongs and leave it there? Then you can't ever forget it, you just forget it is even there.
                        Nathan
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                        OEM Exhaust
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                        LED Dash lights
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                        Green Monster Coils
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                        Vision 550 Auto Tensioner

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by natemoen View Post
                          Why carry the kick lever in saddle bags, why not just put it where it belongs and leave it there? Then you can't ever forget it, you just forget it is even there.
                          Because it's the stock XS kicker and it doesn't fold back. Besides, it's not something I use a lot and it just lays in the bottom of that right bag and doesn't take up any room. I don't forget about it.
                          Greg

                          Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”

                          ― Albert Einstein

                          80 SG Ol' Okie;79 engine & carbs w/pods, 45 pilots, 140 mains, Custom Mac 4 into 2 exhaust, ACCT,XS850 final drive,110/90/19 front tire,TKat fork brace, XS750 140 MPH speedometer, Vetter IV fairing, aftermarket hard bags and trunk, LG high back seat, XJ rear shocks.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by natemoen View Post
                            Why carry the kick lever in saddle bags, why not just put it where it belongs and leave it there? Then you can't ever forget it, you just forget it is even there.
                            Nate, if he's got an early motor in a later frame, the frame lacks the bracketry to store the kicker... no place to put it...

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                            • #15
                              Yeah, that too but I think he meant leave it on the engine.
                              Greg

                              Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”

                              ― Albert Einstein

                              80 SG Ol' Okie;79 engine & carbs w/pods, 45 pilots, 140 mains, Custom Mac 4 into 2 exhaust, ACCT,XS850 final drive,110/90/19 front tire,TKat fork brace, XS750 140 MPH speedometer, Vetter IV fairing, aftermarket hard bags and trunk, LG high back seat, XJ rear shocks.

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