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  • Rasputin
    XS-XJ Super Guru
    • Apr 2008
    • 3180
    • Lacombe, Alberta, Canada

    #1

    Older tops on Newer carbs

    Anyone know of a good reason I should not use the tops from an older set of carbs 78/79 on a newer set 80/81. The only difference I can see is the smaller post for the spring to sit around.
    2-79 XS1100 SF
    2-78 XS1100 E Best bike Ever
    80 XS 1100 SG Big bore kit but not fully running yet.
    Couple of more parts bikes of which 2 more will live!
  • cywelchjr
    XS-XJ Super Guru(Deceased)
    • Oct 2008
    • 4450
    • Sacramento, CA

    #2
    That would do it for me right there. With the smaller post, the spring would be able to wander at the top and might cause things to bind making the vacuum piston not work properly.
    Cy

    1980 XS1100G (Brutus) w/81H Engine
    Duplicolor Mirage Paint Job (Purple/Green)
    Vetter Windjammer IV
    Vetter hard bags & Trunk
    OEM Luggage Rack
    Jardine Spaghetti 4-2 exhaust system
    Spade Fuse Box
    Turn Signal Auto Cancel Mod
    750 FD Mod
    TC Spin on Oil Filter Adapter (temp removed)
    XJ1100 Front Footpegs
    XJ1100 Shocks

    I was always taught to respect my elders, but it keeps getting harder to find one.

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    • Rasputin
      XS-XJ Super Guru
      • Apr 2008
      • 3180
      • Lacombe, Alberta, Canada

      #3
      That is exactly what I was wondering Cy. I am trying to think of a way to stabilize it without being to bulky and causing other problems. I could just use the later tops but the gold on them is so pitted that even after sandblasting they look terrible, so I am looking at other ideas.
      2-79 XS1100 SF
      2-78 XS1100 E Best bike Ever
      80 XS 1100 SG Big bore kit but not fully running yet.
      Couple of more parts bikes of which 2 more will live!

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      • crazy steve
        XS-XJ Guru MODERATOR
        • Jan 2009
        • 7932
        • Beautiful outer Yelm, WA

        #4
        Stick four dabs of JB Weld around each post, then cut/file it to the right diameter. Although I've seen early tops on late carbs with no problems, so it might be worth trying...
        Fast, Cheap, Reliable... Pick any two

        '78E original owner - resto project
        '78E ???? owner - Modder project FJ forks, 4-piston calipers F/R, 160/80-16 rear tire
        '82 XJ rebuild project
        '80SG restified, red SOLD
        '79F parts...
        '81H more parts...

        Other current bikes:
        '93 XL1200 Anniversary Sportster 85RWHP
        '86 XL883/1200 Chopper
        '82 XL1000 w/1450cc Buell, Baker 6-speed, in-progress project
        Cage: '13 Mustang GT/CS with a few 'custom' touches
        Yep, can't leave nuthin' alone...

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        • 81xsproject
          XS-XJ Super Guru
          • Nov 2004
          • 3185
          • Fortuna, CA

          #5
          The top of the spring is flat. The surface around the cone on the cap is also flat. Install carefully. They will be fine.
          '81 XS1100 SH

          Melted to the ground during The Valley Fire

          Sep. 12th 2015

          RIP

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          • XS1100_OEM4ME
            XS-XJ Guru
            • Mar 2009
            • 1619
            • Fort Myers, Florida

            #6
            Sand / Buff

            You could sand the right ones smooth with 320 then 1000 grit, then polish them to look like chrome with a buffing wheel and metal polishing compound

            Originally posted by Rasputin
            That is exactly what I was wondering Cy. I am trying to think of a way to stabilize it without being to bulky and causing other problems. I could just use the later tops but the gold on them is so pitted that even after sandblasting they look terrible, so I am looking at other ideas.
            1979 XS1100 Special (Mad Max, OEM) Current
            1980 XS1100 Special
            1990 V Max
            1982 KZ750 LTD Twin
            1986 700 FZR Yamaha Fazer (faster then expected)
            1979 XS750 Special (my 1st Special)
            1974 CB750-Four



            Past/pres Car's
            1961 Catalina 389/1970 Torino GT 351/1967GTO 12to1 comp./ Roller cam/ T-10/ 456 gear/Tri-power/1967 GTO 400, 1969 Camaro, 1968 Z28, 2001 BMW M Roadster 0 to 60 in 4.5 sec. Jaguar XK8

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            • crazy steve
              XS-XJ Guru MODERATOR
              • Jan 2009
              • 7932
              • Beautiful outer Yelm, WA

              #7
              Originally posted by XS1100_OEM4ME
              You could sand the right ones smooth with 320 then 1000 grit, then polish them to look like chrome with a buffing wheel and metal polishing compound
              The later type tops are steel, not aluminum, so once they're rusty/pitted replating is the only fix....
              Fast, Cheap, Reliable... Pick any two

              '78E original owner - resto project
              '78E ???? owner - Modder project FJ forks, 4-piston calipers F/R, 160/80-16 rear tire
              '82 XJ rebuild project
              '80SG restified, red SOLD
              '79F parts...
              '81H more parts...

              Other current bikes:
              '93 XL1200 Anniversary Sportster 85RWHP
              '86 XL883/1200 Chopper
              '82 XL1000 w/1450cc Buell, Baker 6-speed, in-progress project
              Cage: '13 Mustang GT/CS with a few 'custom' touches
              Yep, can't leave nuthin' alone...

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              • XS1100_OEM4ME
                XS-XJ Guru
                • Mar 2009
                • 1619
                • Fort Myers, Florida

                #8
                Ok

                Cool, I didn't know that What about primming, sand / filling the pits then painting them with chrome / alum paint

                Originally posted by crazy steve
                The later type tops are steel, not aluminum, so once they're rusty/pitted replating is the only fix....
                1979 XS1100 Special (Mad Max, OEM) Current
                1980 XS1100 Special
                1990 V Max
                1982 KZ750 LTD Twin
                1986 700 FZR Yamaha Fazer (faster then expected)
                1979 XS750 Special (my 1st Special)
                1974 CB750-Four



                Past/pres Car's
                1961 Catalina 389/1970 Torino GT 351/1967GTO 12to1 comp./ Roller cam/ T-10/ 456 gear/Tri-power/1967 GTO 400, 1969 Camaro, 1968 Z28, 2001 BMW M Roadster 0 to 60 in 4.5 sec. Jaguar XK8

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                • crazy steve
                  XS-XJ Guru MODERATOR
                  • Jan 2009
                  • 7932
                  • Beautiful outer Yelm, WA

                  #9
                  Originally posted by XS1100_OEM4ME
                  Cool, I didn't know that What about primming, sand / filling the pits then painting them with chrome / alum paint
                  If you're going for the 'OEM' look, that won't cut it....

                  Couldn't resist....
                  Fast, Cheap, Reliable... Pick any two

                  '78E original owner - resto project
                  '78E ???? owner - Modder project FJ forks, 4-piston calipers F/R, 160/80-16 rear tire
                  '82 XJ rebuild project
                  '80SG restified, red SOLD
                  '79F parts...
                  '81H more parts...

                  Other current bikes:
                  '93 XL1200 Anniversary Sportster 85RWHP
                  '86 XL883/1200 Chopper
                  '82 XL1000 w/1450cc Buell, Baker 6-speed, in-progress project
                  Cage: '13 Mustang GT/CS with a few 'custom' touches
                  Yep, can't leave nuthin' alone...

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                  • XS1100_OEM4ME
                    XS-XJ Guru
                    • Mar 2009
                    • 1619
                    • Fort Myers, Florida

                    #10
                    Alsa

                    Here is the paint I use for that kind of stuff, looks pretty close to OEM to me





                    It is kina pricey, but I have 5 spray cans of the "killer chrome" I would sell for 1/2 price + S/H if intrested


                    Originally posted by crazy steve
                    If you're going for the 'OEM' look, that won't cut it....

                    Couldn't resist....
                    Last edited by XS1100_OEM4ME; 12-14-2011, 02:02 PM.
                    1979 XS1100 Special (Mad Max, OEM) Current
                    1980 XS1100 Special
                    1990 V Max
                    1982 KZ750 LTD Twin
                    1986 700 FZR Yamaha Fazer (faster then expected)
                    1979 XS750 Special (my 1st Special)
                    1974 CB750-Four



                    Past/pres Car's
                    1961 Catalina 389/1970 Torino GT 351/1967GTO 12to1 comp./ Roller cam/ T-10/ 456 gear/Tri-power/1967 GTO 400, 1969 Camaro, 1968 Z28, 2001 BMW M Roadster 0 to 60 in 4.5 sec. Jaguar XK8

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                    • jwhughes3
                      XS-XJ Guru
                      • Sep 2009
                      • 2798
                      • Home of the Alamo

                      #11
                      That looks great

                      Lon that looks like chrome to me!

                      Nice job.

                      John
                      John is in an anonymous city with an Alamo (N29.519227,W-98.678980)

                      Go ahead, click on the bikes - you know you want to...the electrons are ready.
                      '81 XS1100H - "Enterprise"
                      Bob Jones Custom Navy bike: Tkat brace, EBC floating rotors & SS lines, ROX pivot risers, Geezer rectifier, new 3H3 engine

                      "Not all treasure is silver and gold"

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                      • old_skool
                        XSive Maximus
                        • Nov 2011
                        • 554
                        • Ohio

                        #12
                        Originally posted by XS1100_OEM4ME
                        Here is the paint I use for that kind of stuff, looks pretty close to OEM to me





                        It is kina pricey, but I have 5 spray cans of the "killer chrome" I would sell for 1/2 price + S/H if intrested
                        Holy crap, That's some good chrome paint, pricey, but I think it might be worth it for some applications.
                        81 XS1100H

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                        • Rasputin
                          XS-XJ Super Guru
                          • Apr 2008
                          • 3180
                          • Lacombe, Alberta, Canada

                          #13
                          I am going to paint all the gold parts of the 81LH a different color including the wheels so I am not really worried about the chrome. Thanks for the idea and I may want to use that on future projects, just not this one. I do know the flat tops and flat springs should not move, but I wanted to know what you fellows thought.
                          I just used my caliper to find the depth of the spring keeper is also different as the later ones are 7.5mm and the earlier ones are 10mm. I just do not want to find out after prep and paint that I made a major goof. Thanks to everyone for the input.
                          2-79 XS1100 SF
                          2-78 XS1100 E Best bike Ever
                          80 XS 1100 SG Big bore kit but not fully running yet.
                          Couple of more parts bikes of which 2 more will live!

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                          • TopCatGr58
                            Administrator
                            • Jul 2002
                            • 12650
                            • Portsmouth, Va.

                            #14
                            I didn't comment earlier because I didn't have any closeup photos of mine.

                            I've got the later 81 carbs, and I sanded them to remove and smooth out the pitted cracked chrome surface. I then primered and painted and clear coated with the same stuff I did my tank/fenders with! I think they look good.



                            T.C.
                            T. C. Gresham
                            81SH "Godzilla" . . .1179cc super-rat.
                            79SF "The Teacher" . . .basket case!
                            History shows again and again,
                            How nature points out the folly of men!

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                            • XS1100_OEM4ME
                              XS-XJ Guru
                              • Mar 2009
                              • 1619
                              • Fort Myers, Florida

                              #15
                              Godzilla

                              Way to cool TC, Godzilla rules

                              Originally posted by TopCatGr58
                              I didn't comment earlier because I didn't have any closeup photos of mine.

                              I've got the later 81 carbs, and I sanded them to remove and smooth out the pitted cracked chrome surface. I then primered and painted and clear coated with the same stuff I did my tank/fenders with! I think they look good.



                              T.C.
                              1979 XS1100 Special (Mad Max, OEM) Current
                              1980 XS1100 Special
                              1990 V Max
                              1982 KZ750 LTD Twin
                              1986 700 FZR Yamaha Fazer (faster then expected)
                              1979 XS750 Special (my 1st Special)
                              1974 CB750-Four



                              Past/pres Car's
                              1961 Catalina 389/1970 Torino GT 351/1967GTO 12to1 comp./ Roller cam/ T-10/ 456 gear/Tri-power/1967 GTO 400, 1969 Camaro, 1968 Z28, 2001 BMW M Roadster 0 to 60 in 4.5 sec. Jaguar XK8

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