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  • #46
    Originally posted by XSLevi View Post
    ...Now here's the real question: I would like to highlight the shaft drive by ditching the housing, and chroming or powder coating the shaft. Can I do this without compromising the integrity of the driveline?
    It's been done, so the answer is a qualified yes. There's an upside and a downside (as always!) with doing this.

    The upside is you can fit a wider tire (up to 6.25" wide) with the stock tube gone.

    The downside is the FD end of the shaft has no seal, so retaining the grease in there (and keeping out contaminates) becomes an issue. It may be possible to address this, as the XS750/850 does have a seal in there, so that might be something to look at. I'll also note that you can get longer driveshafts (if you want to do a stretch), as there's a company making replacement shafts for the V-Max and you can get custom lengths. The main drawback to these is the shaft is considerably larger (it seems the V-Max is known for breaking these), so larger-than-stock tires again become a problem.
    Fast, Cheap, Reliable... Pick any two

    '78E original owner - resto project
    '78E ???? owner - Modder project FJ forks, 4-piston calipers F/R, 160/80-16 rear tire
    '82 XJ rebuild project
    '80SG restified, red SOLD
    '79F parts...
    '81H more parts...

    Other current bikes:
    '93 XL1200 Anniversary Sportster 85RWHP
    '86 XL883/1200 Chopper
    '82 XL1000 w/1450cc Buell, Baker 6-speed, in-progress project
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    • #47
      Didn't someone find a CV boot or something that fit onto the shaft and over the outside of the FD shaft joint that sealed that area up good that did the job? And if I were going to do that I'd think about something to make that shaft pretty, like cleaning it up and chroming it or something (maybe powder coating it since you could mask off the engagement areas of the shaft).

      And almost all my objections to most mods are safety related. That's why I don't care for removing lights, cause I light to see them lit up light a christmas tree, and even that's not enough most of the time. I had an idiot turn left in front of me today, and the only thing that saved me was that I was already turning right, and I hugged the corner and got on it, and it was still close (I took the corner at almost 40, NOT the normal speed I take street corners at). If I had done ANYTHING else I would not have been able to avoid him (not sure it was a him, couldn't see through the heavily tinted windshield, which is illegal even here in Ca).
      Cy

      1980 XS1100G (Brutus) w/81H Engine
      Duplicolor Mirage Paint Job (Purple/Green)
      Vetter Windjammer IV
      Vetter hard bags & Trunk
      OEM Luggage Rack
      Jardine Spaghetti 4-2 exhaust system
      Spade Fuse Box
      Turn Signal Auto Cancel Mod
      750 FD Mod
      TC Spin on Oil Filter Adapter (temp removed)
      XJ1100 Front Footpegs
      XJ1100 Shocks

      I was always taught to respect my elders, but it keeps getting harder to find one.

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      • #48
        Ya Cywelcher, That's exactly the plan: Chrome or powder coat. I like the c.v. boot idea.

        Steve, If I went with a seal from a 750 I assume I would have to use a 750 rear end. That would mean a taller FD ratio correct?

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        • #49
          I think a 750 seal would also require a 750 driveshaft as I think it's shaped a little different at the end to accommodate the the seal which I don't think will work on the 1100's shaft. The CV boot however I believe would work with either FD so if you desired a higher ratio you could still do it that way.
          Cy

          1980 XS1100G (Brutus) w/81H Engine
          Duplicolor Mirage Paint Job (Purple/Green)
          Vetter Windjammer IV
          Vetter hard bags & Trunk
          OEM Luggage Rack
          Jardine Spaghetti 4-2 exhaust system
          Spade Fuse Box
          Turn Signal Auto Cancel Mod
          750 FD Mod
          TC Spin on Oil Filter Adapter (temp removed)
          XJ1100 Front Footpegs
          XJ1100 Shocks

          I was always taught to respect my elders, but it keeps getting harder to find one.

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          • #50
            OK, Just because no one else has I will point out the inherant safety issue of getting your pant leg or shoe lace caught around the drive shaft. May be a very slight possibility, but noen the less, a consideration.

            The dirt and debris issue, about any kind of a boot would need to have the shaft rotate inside it, or it rotate around the stationary parts. This seems very hard to get to seal correctly and not wear out alot.
            Life is what happens while your planning everything else!

            When your work speaks for itself, don't interrupt.

            81 XS1100 Special - Humpty Dumpty
            80 XS1100 Special - Project Resurrection


            Previously owned
            93 GSX600F
            80 XS1100 Special - Ruby
            81 XS1100 Special
            81 CB750 C
            80 CB750 C
            78 XS750

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            • #51
              Originally posted by XSLevi View Post
              Steve, If I went with a seal from a 750 I assume I would have to use a 750 rear end. That would mean a taller FD ratio correct?
              No, the mounting is the same between the 750 and 1100 FDs. I was thinking that you would cut the end off the swingarm (the part that contains the seal) and just use that. Cy is correct, there are differences in the shafts, but it might make a good jumping off point for a solution. The CV boot is a decent idea too, but doesn't protect the pinion seal on the 1100 FD.
              Fast, Cheap, Reliable... Pick any two

              '78E original owner - resto project
              '78E ???? owner - Modder project FJ forks, 4-piston calipers F/R, 160/80-16 rear tire
              '82 XJ rebuild project
              '80SG restified, red SOLD
              '79F parts...
              '81H more parts...

              Other current bikes:
              '93 XL1200 Anniversary Sportster 85RWHP
              '86 XL883/1200 Chopper
              '82 XL1000 w/1450cc Buell, Baker 6-speed, in-progress project
              Cage: '13 Mustang GT/CS with a few 'custom' touches
              Yep, can't leave nuthin' alone...

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              • #52
                Originally posted by crazy steve View Post
                No, the mounting is the same between the 750 and 1100 FDs. I was thinking that you would cut the end off the swingarm (the part that contains the seal) and just use that. Cy is correct, there are differences in the shafts, but it might make a good jumping off point for a solution. The CV boot is a decent idea too, but doesn't protect the pinion seal on the 1100 FD.
                I'm pretty sure the CV boot would work fine. The FD has to be mounted to the bike at the front somehow, but the area where the CV boot would fasten to spins with the shaft, and the pinion IIRC has it's own seal in there, you just need to keep everything out of the shaft to FD interface and keep the grease from slinging everywhere from that joint which is what the CV boot does. Someone on here that did a hardtail with an exposed shaft I'm pretty sure did exactly that. And yes, just like with a chain drive, you would want some sort of guard to keep your pant leg out of the shaft when going down the road, but unless you have a pillion most of the time your legs would be nowhere near the shaft when in motion.
                Cy

                1980 XS1100G (Brutus) w/81H Engine
                Duplicolor Mirage Paint Job (Purple/Green)
                Vetter Windjammer IV
                Vetter hard bags & Trunk
                OEM Luggage Rack
                Jardine Spaghetti 4-2 exhaust system
                Spade Fuse Box
                Turn Signal Auto Cancel Mod
                750 FD Mod
                TC Spin on Oil Filter Adapter (temp removed)
                XJ1100 Front Footpegs
                XJ1100 Shocks

                I was always taught to respect my elders, but it keeps getting harder to find one.

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                • #53
                  The other alternative is to run the standard XS11 shaft without any cover or swing arm or rubber boot/cover.

                  A mate of mine has an XS11 chop, just like the video chop, without any cover on the shaft, its been Ok for the last 25 years I've known him and he is terrible at maintaining/servicing his bike so its not like he's got the thing in bits re-greasing it every week.
                  Tom
                  1982 5K7 Sport, restored to original from a wreck
                  1978 2H9 (E), my original XS11, mostly original
                  1980 2H9 monoshocked (avatar pic)http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r...psf30aa1c8.jpg
                  1982 XJ1100, waiting resto to original

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by XSLevi View Post
                    - - - Now here's the real question: I would like to highlight the shaft drive by ditching the housing, and chroming or powder coating the shaft. Can I do this without compromising the integrity of the driveline?
                    Hi Levi,
                    if you insist on leaping 70 years into the past by hardtailing the bike, ditching the swingarm entirely and thus exposing the driveshaft is a more elegant way to go.
                    (Research 1920s BMWs to see the look.)
                    However, chroming and powdercoating both have the potential to weaken the driveshaft.
                    Best is to simply polish the shaft and then clearcoat it.
                    Fred Hill, S'toon
                    XS11SG with Spirit of America sidecar
                    "The Flying Pumpkin"

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by fredintoon View Post
                      However, chroming and powdercoating both have the potential to weaken the driveshaft..
                      Fred, I'll agree that chroming will cause issues (hydrogen embrittlement, plus the problem of keeping the plating off the splines), but powdercoating should have no effect. The temps used aren't high enough (450F for 'flow out', then 400 or less for cure) to do anything to steel parts...
                      Fast, Cheap, Reliable... Pick any two

                      '78E original owner - resto project
                      '78E ???? owner - Modder project FJ forks, 4-piston calipers F/R, 160/80-16 rear tire
                      '82 XJ rebuild project
                      '80SG restified, red SOLD
                      '79F parts...
                      '81H more parts...

                      Other current bikes:
                      '93 XL1200 Anniversary Sportster 85RWHP
                      '86 XL883/1200 Chopper
                      '82 XL1000 w/1450cc Buell, Baker 6-speed, in-progress project
                      Cage: '13 Mustang GT/CS with a few 'custom' touches
                      Yep, can't leave nuthin' alone...

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