New coils

[TopCatGr58]

Hey again Carlton,

This may be too late, you may have already ordered those fancy $$ wires, but if you had the MikesXS black coils on there, then you should have already had the solid core wires, and can just reuse those. I was wanting to re-install mine quickly and didn't want to wait for a set of the brass connectors via the net, so I went to my local auto store, had them look up a set of cheap wires for something like a 70's era 4 cylinder, think it was a VEGA remembering that style of coil/distributor or plug wire to distributor being the recessed type. They are Duralast brand, #4456 plug wire set(~$20.00)...then I just removed the brass ends from a couple of the wires since they were just plain carbon core, stripped back some insulation from my 8mm wires, and folded the wire inner core over the end and back up the side of the insulation a 1/4", and then recrimped the brass connectors onto the old wires(they were actually new era 8mm silicone solid wire core) that I had used with my Mikes Black coils. I also used the rubber boot/wire connector/cover and it slid/fit down over the end of the Dyna Coil nice and snugly once I had the wire plugged down into it. It made such a nice seal, I didn't bother sealing it with silicone RTV, but you could do that as an extra added layer of water "proofing"!

I've seen Dyna plug wire kits on the net, should be able to find them on ebay or such....some online bike/harley stores. I just calculated that with the paypal, shipping fees, I would have essentially paid the same as I did buying the 4cyl wire set locally and just stripping the brass connectors! YMMV

T.C.

['OlGuiltyBoy]

Wonderful info -- will definately be my next quick project once I get my exhaust finished ...

[oldnortonrider]

Hey again Carlton,

This may be too late, you may have already ordered those fancy $$ wires, but if you had the MikesXS black coils on there, then you should have already had the solid core wires, and can just reuse those. I was wanting to re-install mine quickly and didn't want to wait for a set of the brass connectors via the net, so I went to my local auto store, had them look up a set of cheap wires for something like a 70's era 4 cylinder, think it was a VEGA remembering that style of coil/distributor or plug wire to distributor being the recessed type. They are Duralast brand, #4456 plug wire set(~$20.00)...then I just removed the brass ends from a couple of the wires since they were just plain carbon core, stripped back some insulation from my 8mm wires, and folded the wire inner core over the end and back up the side of the insulation a 1/4", and then recrimped the brass connectors onto the old wires(they were actually new era 8mm silicone solid wire core) that I had used with my Mikes Black coils. I also used the rubber boot/wire connector/cover and it slid/fit down over the end of the Dyna Coil nice and snugly once I had the wire plugged down into it. It made such a nice seal, I didn't bother sealing it with silicone RTV, but you could do that as an extra added layer of water "proofing"!

I've seen Dyna plug wire kits on the net, should be able to find them on ebay or such....some online bike/harley stores. I just calculated that with the paypal, shipping fees, I would have essentially paid the same as I did buying the 4cyl wire set locally and just stripping the brass connectors! YMMV

T.C.

T.C.; I still haven't gotten the new wires and new coils to do this yet, but am fixin' to get at it. I'm having trouble deciding on types of plug wires and whether to go with the Dana coils or a set of the Accel coils (part #140405). I actually strongly favor the Accel coil set, because of the brass male stud type method of attachment for the plug wire to coil. I definitely want to use solid metal core plug wires, and actually thinking to use the Magnecor R-100 "10MM". I really want the extra insulation for the core to protect from the heat and other. Can modify this set ~~> http://www.ultrarev.com/49190.html ; I'm thinking the 10mm wire might not squeeze up into the Dana tower hole for attachment. The machine is still managing to start, and GOES alright after starting, but still not getting any kind of a reading on one coil~~plug cap to plug cap (new plug caps). Am also thinking to use non-resistor caps with non-resistor plugs with whichever coil set that I decide to go with (you might have some input on this; would appreciate). I'm also confused that the Accel set comes with the graphite suppression type wires, and in some cases of installation instructions SEZ "not to use" solid metal core if one is matching with electronic ignition (??!!) as here ~~>http://www.mrgasket.com/Portals/0/do...Kit_140405.pdf

[cywelchjr]

T.C.; I still haven't gotten the new wires and new coils to do this yet, but am fixin' to get at it. I'm having trouble deciding on types of plug wires and whether to go with the Dana coils or a set of the Accel coils (part #140405). I actually strongly favor the Accel coil set, because of the brass male stud type method of attachment for the plug wire to coil. I definitely want to use solid metal core plug wires, and actually thinking to use the Magnecor R-100 "10MM". I really want the extra insulation for the core to protect from the heat and other. Can modify this set ~~> http://www.ultrarev.com/49190.html ; I'm thinking the 10mm wire might not squeeze up into the Dana tower hole for attachment. The machine is still managing to start, and GOES alright after starting, but still not getting any kind of a reading on one coil~~plug cap to plug cap (new plug caps). Am also thinking to use non-resistor caps with non-resistor plugs with whichever coil set that I decide to go with (you might have some input on this; would appreciate). I'm also confused that the Accel set comes with the graphite suppression type wires, and in some cases of installation instructions SEZ "not to use" solid metal core if one is matching with electronic ignition (??!!) as here ~~>http://www.mrgasket.com/Portals/0/do...Kit_140405.pdf

Unless you want to be pissing off all the vehicles around you (including any cops you pull up next too, and they will probably KNOW who it is), you either need resister caps or resistor plugs. Running without either one will NOT give better performance, so you don't gain anything by doing it, and frankly it's harder to find non resistor caps than resistor caps. As for the solid VS graphite suppression wire, that might let you get away without the caps or resistor plugs, but I'm not sure how well it holds up to the vibration and flexing in the wind that you get on the bike, and you DO get some loss of spark with them. Of course, if you want to spend the extra, you can get one that are suppression wires that are not graphite but use a coiled conductor that are supposed to work better.

[TopCatGr58]

Hey again Carlton,

The Accel's site and their description of their coils is very misleading!!!!

Heavy Duty 8.8mm Plug Wires
Max Performance for Older Motorcycles
Includes Mounting Hardware & Wire Crimping Tool
These ACCEL Motorcycle Super Coil kits are intended for motorcycles that are point or electronically triggered,

This next part is where they get Oxymoronic in their description, because they start talking about CDI being the same as their previously mentioned point/electronically triggered, but CDI is totally different than Inductive/Point style ignition systems, but they have lumped it into 1 description for ALL of their sets....so you have to look at the OHM spec...the 0.7 is the CDI, the 3.0 is the Inductive/points style like what we have!!!!

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utilizing capacitive discharge type ignition systems. Motorcycles equipped with capacitive discharge ignition (CDI) will really come alive when equipped ACCEL's Super Coil for CDI applications. ACCEL's engineers designed this coil's special low resistance primary winding to match operating characteristics of factory installed and aftermarket CDI systems, getting maximum performance with fast rise times.

The 140403 is the style of coil you want, INDUCTIVE with the 3.0 ohm not the Capacitive 0.7 ohm style. The "sets" come with the 8.8mm solid core wires, plenty of insulation IMHO compared with the 10mm you are looking at! $$ And the wire and mounting hardware is all included with the Accel sets.
You're still talking $220.00 +S&H for the coils and wire sets which still seems rather $$$ to me. vs. the Dynas that can be got for ~$120-130, then you can get an Accel universal wire set from JCW for ~$30.00 for a 4 plug set, total of $150/160...plus S&H which shouldn't be but about $20.00 for both, so now up to $180.00, so only $40.00 cheaper than the Accels...so YMMV!

If you are still bent on using the 10mm wires, all you will need to do is cut off the outer 1.2mm worth of insulation just at the end of the wire where it would fit into the Dyna Coil tower hole that the brass fitting will fit into while it's on the wire end. But I just feel $80+ is a bit much to spend on spark plug wires. I'm running non capacitor caps and wires and plugs, I've have also used a portable music device with radio(FM), and have not noticed any RF interference! I thought the RF was more prominent if you used AM radio which almost nobody uses anymore! And the RF doesn't bother our simple Inductive ignition system either. Having non resistor wires/caps does allow the use of the more common resistor plugs.

T.C.

[oldnortonrider]

Hey again Carlton,

The Accel's site and their description of their coils is very misleading!!!!


This next part is where they get Oxymoronic in their description, because they start talking about CDI being the same as their previously mentioned point/electronically triggered, but CDI is totally different than Inductive/Point style ignition systems, but they have lumped it into 1 description for ALL of their sets....so you have to look at the OHM spec...the 0.7 is the CDI, the 3.0 is the Inductive/points style like what we have!!!!

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The 140403 is the style of coil you want, INDUCTIVE with the 3.0 ohm not the Capacitive 0.7 ohm style. The "sets" come with the 8.8mm solid core wires, plenty of insulation IMHO compared with the 10mm you are looking at! $$ And the wire and mounting hardware is all included with the Accel sets.
You're still talking $220.00 +S&H for the coils and wire sets which still seems rather $$$ to me. vs. the Dynas that can be got for ~$120-130, then you can get an Accel universal wire set from JCW for ~$30.00 for a 4 plug set, total of $150/160...plus S&H which shouldn't be but about $20.00 for both, so now up to $180.00, so only $40.00 cheaper than the Accels...so YMMV!

If you are still bent on using the 10mm wires, all you will need to do is cut off the outer 1.2mm worth of insulation just at the end of the wire where it would fit into the Dyna Coil tower hole that the brass fitting will fit into while it's on the wire end. But I just feel $80+ is a bit much to spend on spark plug wires. I'm running non capacitor caps and wires and plugs, I've have also used a portable music device with radio(FM), and have not noticed any RF interference! I thought the RF was more prominent if you used AM radio which almost nobody uses anymore! And the RF doesn't bother our simple Inductive ignition system either. Having non resistor wires/caps does allow the use of the more common resistor plugs.

T.C.

Hey; Curtis; I stalled a few days since your last message~~thought I was going to have more information for you~~still am gathering info to get this "project" underway. YES; I agree; Accel's promo info and "product descriptions" are quite confusing the way they use it; although I've fathomed my way through it. Most of the others are as bad; 'Taylor' is about as bad~~they've now got a 10.4MM! wire~~I'm danged if I can understand the way they tout it, whether it's solid metal core or some kind of ferrite or graphite suppressor core.

RE the Accel #140405 number; that is the part number for the 3 ohm single coil kit; you're right, the part number #140403 is for the Accel "2 coil", 3 ohm kit~~#140404K is their "0.7" ohm "2 coil" kit; #140404S, the .7 ohm single coil. Thinking I may want to see the coil attach end of one of the factory Magnecor R-100 wires, first, to be able to decide which coil brand would lend itself more better to an attachment, not to be affected by weather, heat, or vibration, age, UV, et al. I am acquiring some different terminal types and this crimp tool ~~> http://www.taylorvertex.com/Products...ting?id=220437 I don't think it's the same exact crimp tool used in this excellent video, but same method and end result ~~> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5OuM...eature=related

AND am in process of getting some different type NON-resistor caps, and boots et al to "make" what I plan on ending up with. And like yourself, will use with non-resistor plugs. Interesting, that I find NO iridium plugs, that are non-Resistor. For our machine.

RE the Accel coil "kits" that include the WIRES: they're NOT "solid-core"; not what I'd call "solid-core"; they're suppression~graphite~ferrite type; RESISTANCE built into the core. I have two Accel universal sets of these type wires that I acquired several years ago for different V8 car engines. 3 years ago, when I got the NEW black coils from 'MikesXS', I thought to put 4 of these (new) on the coils, cut and modified to proper length. I thought surely they would have to work, but seemed to have remembered something on the forum~~NOT TO USE 'EM. I did a "search", and found a couple discouraging mentions about those type wires. I think one of the members was "Ratbyk". No explanation; just sed not to use 'em. I thought WTF, these are new wires, don't think any harm can come; if they don't work, I'll install new solid metal core wires. I put 'em on with the new black coils; ran good.....................for a couple weeks. Started running radical; I isolated the problem to be "North" of the spark plugs; took the suppression wires off, installed new 7mm solid metal core plug wires; ran fine until as of late. Those 8.8mm suppression core wires that come with the Accel 3 ohm coil kits~~those are the same wire types, size, brand and everything that I had to take off the machine and discard. Anything that wears out on my machine or goes bad, or breaks~~I save it~~one can get NO ohm reading or continuity reading on those wires with multi-meter; nada. I'm sure they'd have to work with the 3 ohm Accel coil kits, or Accel wouldn't/couldn't keep sellin' 'em together. I guess I'm a bit mystified. I do know that if I do decide to use the Accel 3 ohm coils, instead of the Dana 3 ohm coils, I'll be using a solid metal core plug wire; won't be using the 8.8 suppression wire that comes with all the Accel 3 ohm coil kits.

[bikerphil]

I run the Accel 3 ohm coils with the carbon core wires, haven't had any problems for 30K+ miles. Running non-resistor plugs and just plain rubber boot caps, no interference on my garage radio.

[cywelchjr]

Non resistor plugs are getting almost impossible to find anymore, and in some types of plugs are just plain not even made. And frankly there is no point to not having resistor plugs as that resistance has pretty much no measurable affect on the strength of the spark, it only makes it take a little more voltage to jump the gap initially, and with the higher voltage coils, there is enough extra voltage that there is no problem with that so no need to worry about that anyways. Frankly, most cars these days have BOTH resistor plugs AND resistor wire, so while I'd worry about it with the stock coils since it can be a bit iffy about the spark making the jump in the first place, with the high performance coils I wouldn't be worried about it at all.