General Mechanics Question: lubed threads
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Nathan
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1978 XS1100E
K&N Filter
#45 pilot Jet, #137.5 Main Jet
OEM Exhaust
ATK Fork Brace
LED Dash lights
Ammeter, Oil Pressure, Oil Temp, and Volt Meters
Green Monster Coils
SS Brake Lines
Vision 550 Auto Tensioner
In any moment of decision the best thing you can do is the right thing, the next best thing is the wrong thing, and the worst thing you can do is nothing.
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Cy
1980 XS1100G (Brutus) w/81H Engine
Duplicolor Mirage Paint Job (Purple/Green)
Vetter Windjammer IV
Vetter hard bags & Trunk
OEM Luggage Rack
Jardine Spaghetti 4-2 exhaust system
Spade Fuse Box
Turn Signal Auto Cancel Mod
750 FD Mod
TC Spin on Oil Filter Adapter (temp removed)
XJ1100 Front Footpegs
XJ1100 Shocks
I was always taught to respect my elders, but it keeps getting harder to find one.Comment
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+1 on the don't warm it up first. This link here gives information on how to PROPERLY break in an engine, and prevent glazing of the cylinder walls as can happen if you actually follow manufacturers recommendations.
the engine should be warmed up
to operating temp before the initial run in,
this should be done for around 15 minutes at a fast idle.
the link u posted also states to fully warm up the engine prior
to running in.pete
new owner of
08 gen2 hayabusa
former owner
1981 xs1100 RH (aus) (5N5)
zrx carbs
18mm float height
145 main jets
38 pilots
slide needle shimmed .5mm washer
fitted with v/stax and uni pod filters
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pA8dwxmAVA&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL[/url]Comment
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Hey Nate,
I didn't mean to just warm it up and then shut it down, but to do whatever style of re-breakin procedure he wanted to do, but then after it cools back down from the first initial run, to then retorque/recheck the torques due to the possibilty of it loosening after the heating/cooling cycle.
I wish I had read/seen that breakin procedure when I rebuilt my topend some 10 years ago!
T.C.T. C. Gresham
81SH "Godzilla" . . .1179cc super-rat.
79SF "The Teacher" . . .basket case!
History shows again and again,
How nature points out the folly of men!Comment
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No prob, just figured I would expand it a bit.Nathan
KD9ARL
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1978 XS1100E
K&N Filter
#45 pilot Jet, #137.5 Main Jet
OEM Exhaust
ATK Fork Brace
LED Dash lights
Ammeter, Oil Pressure, Oil Temp, and Volt Meters
Green Monster Coils
SS Brake Lines
Vision 550 Auto Tensioner
In any moment of decision the best thing you can do is the right thing, the next best thing is the wrong thing, and the worst thing you can do is nothing.
Theodore RooseveltComment
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Thanks for the positive vibes gents. Hopefully, once I tear the head off, clean up the oil leaks, maybe resurface the cylinders, maybe have to put in new rings, I won't have to continue looking for the spark problem..."Time is the greatest teacher; unfortunately, it kills all of its students."Comment
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Hopefully you don't have to do anything to the cylinders!Nathan
KD9ARL
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1978 XS1100E
K&N Filter
#45 pilot Jet, #137.5 Main Jet
OEM Exhaust
ATK Fork Brace
LED Dash lights
Ammeter, Oil Pressure, Oil Temp, and Volt Meters
Green Monster Coils
SS Brake Lines
Vision 550 Auto Tensioner
In any moment of decision the best thing you can do is the right thing, the next best thing is the wrong thing, and the worst thing you can do is nothing.
Theodore RooseveltComment
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That's the same method I used when I broke in my (then) new 2005 Mustang GT. But please NOTE: He says to start it, WARM IT UP, then run the break in runs! Do NOT start hitting it hard UNTIL it is warmed up. What he was warning about was just starting it, letting it warm up, then shutting it off WITHOUT load cycling it to break in the rings.
As for my car, I broke it in pretty much following his instructions with the load cycling. I can say this about MY car:
1) AT 63,000 miles, it STILL doesn't use a drop of oil between oil changes (at 7500 mile intervals) and
2) Both myself and my brother have driven 3 other 05/06 GTs (all stick cars like mine) over the course of a year. While I was thinking it, he was the first one to say "Man! Your car just PULLS harder than the other GTs we have driven!"
I'm sold on it. The engineering is sound. Heck, the break-in procedure the manufacturers recommend is ALSO sound, IF you are the manufacturer and want to make sure you minimize warranty claims. But be sure to warm your new engine up before you start the break-in procedure. Cold parts are tight parts and you don't want to start breaking things in before everything is operating at the correct warm clearances.-- Clint
1979 XS1100F - bought for $500 in 1989Comment
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But new rough parts cause a lot of heat, especially in an air cooled engine. If you started it, and put on your jacket, helmet, and gloves you would be warm enough.Nathan
KD9ARL
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1978 XS1100E
K&N Filter
#45 pilot Jet, #137.5 Main Jet
OEM Exhaust
ATK Fork Brace
LED Dash lights
Ammeter, Oil Pressure, Oil Temp, and Volt Meters
Green Monster Coils
SS Brake Lines
Vision 550 Auto Tensioner
In any moment of decision the best thing you can do is the right thing, the next best thing is the wrong thing, and the worst thing you can do is nothing.
Theodore RooseveltComment
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Let me get opinions on this scenario: I get all of the work done and by some miracle she starts right up. Can I shut it down quickly, put her all back together (seat, covers, etc.), then start her, warm her a little, then hit the bricks? Just a few seconds of idling won't jack up the ring seating, I hope. One of the things I'm thinking is that the top ring of #3 might be deformed by the damned lock washer."Time is the greatest teacher; unfortunately, it kills all of its students."Comment
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Let me get opinions on this scenario: I get all of the work done and by some miracle she starts right up. Can I shut it down quickly, put her all back together (seat, covers, etc.), then start her, warm her a little, then hit the bricks? Just a few seconds of idling won't jack up the ring seating, I hope. One of the things I'm thinking is that the top ring of #3 might be deformed by the damned lock washer.
That's why I was impressed when I saw the show about Honda's MC factory, cause every Goldwing get's started and warmed up and then gets a full chassis dyno run before it gets taken over to the shipping area where it gets boxed for shipping. That's probably why Honda products do so well with that kind of attention to detail.Cy
1980 XS1100G (Brutus) w/81H Engine
Duplicolor Mirage Paint Job (Purple/Green)
Vetter Windjammer IV
Vetter hard bags & Trunk
OEM Luggage Rack
Jardine Spaghetti 4-2 exhaust system
Spade Fuse Box
Turn Signal Auto Cancel Mod
750 FD Mod
TC Spin on Oil Filter Adapter (temp removed)
XJ1100 Front Footpegs
XJ1100 Shocks
I was always taught to respect my elders, but it keeps getting harder to find one.Comment
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Loho, if you used plenty of oil when you set the jugs on the pistons you should be fine.
If in doubt, add a few teaspoons of oil through the spark plug holes before you try to start the engine the first time. Turn the engine over a couple of times then let the oil that didn't shoot out the plug holes because you didn't cover them with rags seep past the rings into the crankcase while you clean the oil off of you, the work area and the bike while you finish assembling everything.
Basically, just don't idle the engine or rap the throttle until you are actually ready to warm it up and take it out to seat the rings under load.-- Scott
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hi loho,
not sure if ur aware of it or not,
but use a 30 weight mono oil to run the engine in,
it has no to little detergents in the oil compared
to a 20/50 weight oil which would otherwise
cause the cylinders to glaze.pete
new owner of
08 gen2 hayabusa
former owner
1981 xs1100 RH (aus) (5N5)
zrx carbs
18mm float height
145 main jets
38 pilots
slide needle shimmed .5mm washer
fitted with v/stax and uni pod filters
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pA8dwxmAVA&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL[/url]Comment
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Let us know the details of your run-in procedure with your new rings Pete.Melbourne, Australia. XS1100RHComment
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Just rechecked the break in guys site, he says to use 10w40 dino oil. This guy clearly knows what he's doing, and he says to use multi grade oil, so I think you have wrong information/old wives tale information. It didn't sound right to me which is why I checked. What you say is true about using synthetic oils, but detergents don't cause glazing, for that matter, it's almost impossible to find even mono grade oil without detergents, and that I could find does NOT meet the minimum standards for protection, and is intended for air compressors and the like.Cy
1980 XS1100G (Brutus) w/81H Engine
Duplicolor Mirage Paint Job (Purple/Green)
Vetter Windjammer IV
Vetter hard bags & Trunk
OEM Luggage Rack
Jardine Spaghetti 4-2 exhaust system
Spade Fuse Box
Turn Signal Auto Cancel Mod
750 FD Mod
TC Spin on Oil Filter Adapter (temp removed)
XJ1100 Front Footpegs
XJ1100 Shocks
I was always taught to respect my elders, but it keeps getting harder to find one.Comment
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