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  • #31
    There's a bit of snake oil attached to drilled/slotted rotors IMO, at least as far as motorcycles are concerned. Comparing the benefits that a car sees to a bike is particularly tough. I've been more than a bit skeptical of the trick car rotor tests I've seen as they invariably install new 'recommended' pads when changing rotors so it's not a true 'a-b' test; how much of the improvement is due to the rotors, and how much to the pads? This is rarely answered...

    One thing to remember is car rotors are vented, something our bike rotors are not. You'll also notice that when car rotors are slotted, the slots extend to the outside edge. And if they're drilled, the holes vent into the internal venting, not just to the other side of the disc. So in this case, any outgassing actually has someplace to go; unlike a bike, where any gas is trapped in the hole between the two pads. I'm not saying it doesn't help on a bike, but it's simply not as effective. Yamaha tried vented rotors (the early FJ bikes come to mind) but wasn't able to make them work and quickly abandoned them.

    Floating rotors? Now 'required' on performance bikes, the 'floating' feature is a waste of money if you're still running stock calipers. A good upgrade if you have rigid-mount (non-floating) calipers, but the OEM floating calipers won't see any benefit from this feature. These do offer a weight loss with alloy centers which will improve ride/handling, but that in itself doesn't offer any real braking gain. It's interesting to note that the rotors 650 Central sells come with 'special' pads and a smaller-bore master cylinder, and I suspect most of the claimed improvement is due to them rather than the rotors. One thing not mentioned either is pad/rotor life.

    Rob mentioned honing the master cylinder and caliper; doing the MS is a good idea, but there's little benefit to doing the caliper and you want to be real careful not to enlarge the bore, as this can allow the piston to 'cock' in the bore. Yes, clean the piston bore out and make sure it's smooth, but the critical sealing surface is the piston; if you have pistons with any pitting (and who doesn't?), replacing them to ensure smooth piston movement will restore them to the best operation. I'm not saying that lightly pitted pistons won't work, but they won't be as good. And once you have rust on them, it will be back...
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    • #32
      Originally posted by crazy steve View Post
      Well, 650 Central lists both the Brembo and the XS Performance (which Mikes sells too) rotors, and both kits mention 'longer caliper bolts and spacers' so I would have to assume that you're moving the caliper with both kits. Neither says just how much.
      The XS1100 standard has the same calipers and wheels as the XS650. I think it's safe to assume they fit.

      The greatest benefit of these aftermarket rotors is the weight savings.
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      • #33
        Originally posted by crazy steve View Post
        There's a bit of snake oil attached to drilled/slotted rotors IMO, at least as far as motorcycles are concerned. Comparing the benefits that a car sees to a bike is particularly tough. I've been more than a bit skeptical of the trick car rotor tests I've seen as they invariably install new 'recommended' pads when changing rotors so it's not a true 'a-b' test; how much of the improvement is due to the rotors, and how much to the pads? This is rarely answered...

        One thing to remember is car rotors are vented, something our bike rotors are not. You'll also notice that when car rotors are slotted, the slots extend to the outside edge. And if they're drilled, the holes vent into the internal venting, not just to the other side of the disc. So in this case, any outgassing actually has someplace to go; unlike a bike, where any gas is trapped in the hole between the two pads. I'm not saying it doesn't help on a bike, but it's simply not as effective. Yamaha tried vented rotors (the early FJ bikes come to mind) but wasn't able to make them work and quickly abandoned them.
        I don't buy this. The holes are moving, so they give the gases somewhere to go out from under the pads, and the holes move away letting the gases get away. Drilling works just as well on non-vented disks as on vented, the venting just lets them aid cooling a little better, the keeping gases and fluids (like rain water) from under the pads works just as well in either case.
        Cy

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        • #34
          Cy, I didn't say it wasn't effective, just not as effective as it would be on a vented rotor. If you think about it, once that hole goes under the pads, it's effectively sealed until it passes out from under the pads. You can only get so much into that hole before it's 'full'...
          Fast, Cheap, Reliable... Pick any two

          '78E original owner - resto project
          '78E ???? owner - Modder project FJ forks, 4-piston calipers F/R, 160/80-16 rear tire
          '82 XJ rebuild project
          '80SG restified, red SOLD
          '79F parts...
          '81H more parts...

          Other current bikes:
          '93 XL1200 Anniversary Sportster 85RWHP
          '86 XL883/1200 Chopper
          '82 XL1000 w/1450cc Buell, Baker 6-speed, in-progress project
          Cage: '13 Mustang GT/CS with a few 'custom' touches
          Yep, can't leave nuthin' alone...

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          • #35
            Dont the moving holes under the pads also provide better heat dissapation and better cooling? Seems to me that you are contanstly introducing cooler air through the holes,or slots, which has to allow better rotor cooling, and less heat related brake fade.
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            • #36
              Everyone has valid points that are reasonable. But I think Steve has the more complete picture though.
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              • #37
                Where is a good source for ss brake lines for my 78 standard? I am in need of the best fitting and easiest installation.

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