Can't figure this out

[crazy steve]

These bikes DO have front running lights... I'm not sure which models, but some of them do anyway...

All of the standards have front running lights as OEM, none of the specials do...

[Incubus]

The turn signals on both of my XS11Fs flash when the engine is off. Not bragging, just noting. With Succubus, in fact, that's one of the few things that has always worked properly. Both have front running lights, too. Of Course, they both represent just one model.

Patrick

[81sx1100]

DGXSER (The standard models have running lights built into the tirn signals. The early ones do anyway. The wiring is there on the special models, it is an unused connection in the headlight bucket. That is probably what was used on your fairing Bug. ) ok i have 2 wires that were connected in the fairing and now there not it is a red (power to all the time) and a blue one i am assuming ground could this be my prob?

[DGXSER]

In the headlight bucket, after everything is hooked up on a stock non-fairing bike, there are two wires "left over". A Red wire which is hot at all times, and a blue wire. the blue wire is spliced into the speedometer light, so it is powered on with the key. IIRC, that blue wire is plugged into a splitter that then powers the running lights in the standard model signals. So, no those should not be your problem.

[81sx1100]

cool thanks for the information just tossing it out there to see

[motoman]

With all that input and still "no-go".........self-canceler likely culprit........been there, done that for the fix. JAT.......

[81sx1100]

will the self cancler stop them from flashing? and if so how do i bypass it to see if that's it or do i need it for them to even come on?

[motoman]

will the self cancler stop them from flashing? Yes, as I stated, tured out to be the issue with mine. Doesn't mean that is the problem with yours, just a likely suspect. Easy way would be to "borrow" someone elses that functions properly and try that. I just happened to have and extra self canceler and swapped it out.........problem fixed. Initially, the problem was intermittant and over time(bout a year) it progressivly got worse with either just staying on or not canceling mostly for the left turn. Tried other self-canceler I had on the shelf and signals all work good with engine off or running at an idle.

[81sx1100]

will the self cancler stop them from flashing? Yes, as I stated, tured out to be the issue with mine. Doesn't mean that is the problem with yours, just a likely suspect. Easy way would be to "borrow" someone elses that functions properly and try that. I just happened to have and extra self canceler and swapped it out.........problem fixed. Initially, the problem was intermittant and over time(bout a year) it progressivly got worse with either just staying on or not canceling mostly for the left turn. Tried other self-canceler I had on the shelf and signals all work good with engine off or running at an idle.

ok but how do i bypass it to elimanate it all together? if it's that

[CatatonicBug]

ok but how do i bypass it to elimanate it all together? if it's that

IIRC, all you have to do is unplug it. No other craziness required.

[81sx1100]

IIRC, all you have to do is unplug it. No other craziness required.

ok but if i just unplug it then they shouldn't work at all right? because the turn signal runs through it and if not how does it turn them off? (cancel)

[CatatonicBug]

ok but if i just unplug it then they shouldn't work at all right? because the turn signal runs through it and if not how does it turn them off? (cancel)

The signals don't run "through" the auto-cancel unit. The unit communicates with the speedo when the flasher bulbs are flashing, and sends a signal to cancel the flasher. If you remove the auto cancel unit, you just have to cancel the flashers manually by pushing in on the switch. That's exactly what happens if you switch to LED bulbs, since the auto cancel unit can function with the lower current draw of the LEDs.

[81sx1100]

The signals don't run "through" the auto-cancel unit. The unit communicates with the speedo when the flasher bulbs are flashing, and sends a signal to cancel the flasher. If you remove the auto cancel unit, you just have to cancel the flashers manually by pushing in on the switch. That's exactly what happens if you switch to LED bulbs, since the auto cancel unit can function with the lower current draw of the LEDs.

ok thanks but i didn't switch to LED's just wanted to make sure i will do this tonight and see what happends thanks again

[81sx1100]

ok thanks but i didn't switch to LED's just wanted to make sure i will do this tonight and see what happends thanks again

Well did everything i think and still not flashing i guess i am going to have to rip apart the wiring harness and go through the thing wire by wire thanks for the help any other information would be great

[Prothec]

. . . The unit communicates with the speedo when the flasher bulbs are flashing, and sends a signal to cancel the flasher. . . .

This is something I have never understood or investigated. How exactly does it know when to shut off?

I just had my gauges disassembled (http://www.xs11.com/forum/showthread.php?t=30144) and didn't think about looking at the time. Of course it was an XJ, but I can't imagine a mechanical device like that would change too much....