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    I read every thread relating to the kick start install on this forum, and still I seem to have gotten the wrong impression about which parts are actually needed. I bought an 850 swivel-arm lever and the shaft w/ spring and gear to which it attaches; several previous threads indicate that this is all you need to convert an '80 XS11.

    When I took the side cover off, I found that the shaft to which the lever attaches slides right in, but I'm missing the gear that engages with the lever-shaft gear. After removing the plate that retains the intermediate ("ratchet") shaft, I saw that while there was a gear at the inside end of it, it was freewheeling on the shaft and had a ratcheting hub with nothing to engage it. Looks like this is why you have to split the cases - to install the ratcheting piece and, I assume, some kind of spring.

    So, to clarify for people who plan on installing a kick starter in the future, you need more than just the lever and the shaft/spring/gear it attaches to. You also need #13, 14, 17, 18, and 19 from the microfiche:



    Can anyone confirm that this is correct?

    Also, has anyone managed to work out the mysterious method of installing the kick starter stuff without splitting the cases? My engine is out of the bike, but I assume it is still a PITA to split the cases.

    Other work on my bike is going slow but steady. I'm painting the tank, fenders and headlight bucket/brackets using a "secret" low-budget method which I will reveal when it's done IF it comes out looking decent . Did the electrolysis thing to my battery cage, headers and gas tank yesterday. Gas tank worked well but then rusted up again overnight even though I thought I had really doused the inside with WD40; I don't have compressed air or anything so there was probably just too much moisture in there from washing. I decided to let it be, since the old rust never really caused any problems and I've got inline fuel filters, can always fix it later. Wish I had a digital camera to document the progress...

    Cheers,
    Marshall
    Ann Arbor, MI; Needham, MA
    1980 Yamaha XS1100 Midnight Special
    1983 Kawasaki gpZ550
    1978 Kawasaki KZ650

  • #2
    Originally posted by marshall View Post

    Did the electrolysis thing to my battery cage, headers and gas tank yesterday. Gas tank worked well but then rusted up again overnight even though I thought I had really doused the inside with WD40; I don't have compressed air or anything so there was probably just too much moisture in there from washing. I decided to let it be, since the old rust never really caused any problems and I've got inline fuel filters, can always fix it later. Wish I had a digital camera to document the progress...
    Cheers,
    Marshall
    Hi Marshall,
    how can you live without an air compressor?
    Rust inside the tank is never a good thing so I'd suggest another go with the electrolysis. And this time, borrow the old lady's hair dryer to take the moisture out.
    Fred Hill, S'toon
    XS11SG with Spirit of America sidecar
    "The Flying Pumpkin"

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    • #3
      Why didn't I think of that?

      Good point with the hair dryer, guess I was in kind of a rush and was hoping half a can of WD40 would do the trick. I'll give it another go after I've finished painting the tank. I'm a little afraid blow-drying the tank after rinsing would still put it at risk of flash-rusting... Maybe a combination of WD40 and blow drying? Better get out the breathing filter...

      In the meantime, I hope someone can confirm which parts I need as described earlier so know what to ask for/buy on ebay. Thanks,

      Marshall
      Ann Arbor, MI; Needham, MA
      1980 Yamaha XS1100 Midnight Special
      1983 Kawasaki gpZ550
      1978 Kawasaki KZ650

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      • #4
        Originally posted by marshall View Post
        I hope someone can confirm which parts I need as described earlier
        I'll look at my 79 parts motor Saturday and tell ya.
        2H7 (79) owned since '89
        3H3 owned since '06

        "If it ain't broke, modify it"

        ☮

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        • #5
          There should be no reason to split the cases. I've removed all the kickstart gear assemblies (internal and external) from both my '79's when doing the 2nd gear fixes with the engine in the frame. If you're saying gear #11 is in there already, you should be able to slip parts 13 + 14 in there from the side. Whatever parts you need, I have, just pay shipping.
          2H7 (79) owned since '89
          3H3 owned since '06

          "If it ain't broke, modify it"

          ☮

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          • #6
            That's some good news right there. I'm sending you a PM,

            Marshall
            Ann Arbor, MI; Needham, MA
            1980 Yamaha XS1100 Midnight Special
            1983 Kawasaki gpZ550
            1978 Kawasaki KZ650

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            • #7
              Originally posted by bikerphil View Post
              There should be no reason to split the cases. I've removed all the kickstart gear assemblies (internal and external) from both my '79's when doing the 2nd gear fixes with the engine in the frame. If you're saying gear #11 is in there already, you should be able to slip parts 13 + 14 in there from the side. Whatever parts you need, I have, just pay shipping.
              I dunno how you would install the necessary parts to ADD a kickstart without splitting the cases. IIRC, the shaft that holds the necessary gears is in there, without the gears installed, and you have to split the cases to get to either end of that shaft to install the gears.

              I do know that the last time I had MY tranny apart, I looked at the fische and compared it to what I had inside my case, and there was absolutely no way to install the needed parts without splitting the cases.
              1980 XS850SG - Sold
              1981 XS1100LH Midnight Special (Sold) - purchased 9/29/08
              Fully Vetterized and Dynojet Kit added, Heated Grips, Truck-Lite LED headlight, Accel Coils, Irridium plugs, TKAT Fork Brace, XS850LH Final Drive & Black SS Brake lines from Chacal.
              Here's my web page devoted to my bike! XS/XJ User's Manuals there, and the XJ1100 Service Manual and both XS1100 Service manuals (free download!).

              Whether you think you can, or you think you cannot - You're right.
              -H. Ford

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              • #8
                We'll find out soon enough, I sent Marshall his parts yesterday. I think it can be done, I hope.
                2H7 (79) owned since '89
                3H3 owned since '06

                "If it ain't broke, modify it"

                ☮

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by bikerphil View Post
                  We'll find out soon enough, I sent Marshall his parts yesterday. I think it can be done, I hope.
                  Thanks Phil! Parts came Monday; hopefully you got the money order by now. I didn't have the microfiche with me so I couldn't find out for sure last night, but I took at everything last night and so far I see no reason why I can't just stick all the parts right on the end of the intermediate shaft. I have the feeling some G-models were built ready-to-kickstartify and others were not (requiring splitting the cases), because if it goes together the way I think it will, it would be plainly obvious to anyone how to install it without splitting cases. Now watch me make an a$$ out of myself...

                  Just printed off the fiche, so I'll give it a try tonight and post an update on how it goes.

                  Cheers,
                  Marshall
                  Ann Arbor, MI; Needham, MA
                  1980 Yamaha XS1100 Midnight Special
                  1983 Kawasaki gpZ550
                  1978 Kawasaki KZ650

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by marshall View Post
                    Parts came Monday; hopefully you got the money order by now.
                    Yep, got it Monday. Good luck with the install.
                    2H7 (79) owned since '89
                    3H3 owned since '06

                    "If it ain't broke, modify it"

                    ☮

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                    • #11
                      Why you'll have to split the cases:

                      -I have 2 bikes:an 1980 XS parts bike and an 1982 Xj,the one that i want to install the kickstarter system.
                      -I want to document the whole process with hi-res pics,but so far i already noticed that i have to split the cases and here goes some pics explaining why.
                      -There's this big gear in the way blocking for a few milimeters.
                      -It sucks,but whatever...
                      -1982 Maxim 1100 project
                      -1980 Xs 1100 parts bike
                      -1981 Seca 750-daily ride
                      -1978 Suzuki Gs 1000 parts bike
                      -1983 Pontiac Trans Am-daily driver

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                      • #12
                        i think there was a post a little while back,
                        models upto 1980 had the internals fitted from stock
                        so you didnt have to split the cases, the 81 model
                        needed the cases split for the parts to be fitted.
                        pete


                        new owner of
                        08 gen2 hayabusa


                        former owner
                        1981 xs1100 RH (aus) (5N5)
                        zrx carbs
                        18mm float height
                        145 main jets
                        38 pilots
                        slide needle shimmed .5mm washer
                        fitted with v/stax and uni pod filters

                        [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pA8dwxmAVA&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL[/url]

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                        • #13
                          Yes but...

                          -It's true but in my case where i bought the internals at Ebay and my bike being an 82' didn't have the main kickstarter axle...
                          -Take a look at the problem:

                          http://s1027.photobucket.com/albums/y337/peter421sd/
                          -1982 Maxim 1100 project
                          -1980 Xs 1100 parts bike
                          -1981 Seca 750-daily ride
                          -1978 Suzuki Gs 1000 parts bike
                          -1983 Pontiac Trans Am-daily driver

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                          • #14
                            I have a 78XS and I would like to put the kickstart on just so I had it should I ever need it.
                            Nathan
                            KD9ARL

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                            1978 XS1100E
                            K&N Filter
                            #45 pilot Jet, #137.5 Main Jet
                            OEM Exhaust
                            ATK Fork Brace
                            LED Dash lights
                            Ammeter, Oil Pressure, Oil Temp, and Volt Meters

                            Green Monster Coils
                            SS Brake Lines
                            Vision 550 Auto Tensioner

                            In any moment of decision the best thing you can do is the right thing, the next best thing is the wrong thing, and the worst thing you can do is nothing.

                            Theodore Roosevelt

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by natemoen View Post
                              I have a 78XS and I would like to put the kickstart on just so I had it should I ever need it.
                              The '78 and '79 had the kick start installed at the factory. No changes needed. The pedal should be mounted under the battery box. You can attach it to the post sticking out of the right side of the engine and use it when needed. IIRC, the folding kickstart pedal from the XS850 works great as a substitute that you can leave on the post all the time if you want to.
                              1980 XS850SG - Sold
                              1981 XS1100LH Midnight Special (Sold) - purchased 9/29/08
                              Fully Vetterized and Dynojet Kit added, Heated Grips, Truck-Lite LED headlight, Accel Coils, Irridium plugs, TKAT Fork Brace, XS850LH Final Drive & Black SS Brake lines from Chacal.
                              Here's my web page devoted to my bike! XS/XJ User's Manuals there, and the XJ1100 Service Manual and both XS1100 Service manuals (free download!).

                              Whether you think you can, or you think you cannot - You're right.
                              -H. Ford

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