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  • #31
    Originally posted by Crusty Snippets View Post
    My front wheel wobbles when I am going slow, no pushing required.
    Have ordered a brace from Tkat, looking forward to having it installed.
    In my experience, if it wobbles at low speed, a fork brace is not going to fix it. Most likely in this case to be the tires or the headstock bearings. I had a wobble at low speed in medium to tight turns and changed tires and it's gone. Still get a bit of a wobble in a straight line sometimes at low speeds, but only on some rides.
    Cy

    1980 XS1100G (Brutus) w/81H Engine
    Duplicolor Mirage Paint Job (Purple/Green)
    Vetter Windjammer IV
    Vetter hard bags & Trunk
    OEM Luggage Rack
    Jardine Spaghetti 4-2 exhaust system
    Spade Fuse Box
    Turn Signal Auto Cancel Mod
    750 FD Mod
    TC Spin on Oil Filter Adapter (temp removed)
    XJ1100 Front Footpegs
    XJ1100 Shocks

    I was always taught to respect my elders, but it keeps getting harder to find one.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by justme1100 View Post
      My understanding is that the XJ has a brace built into (under) the front fender. If that isn't a brace under there it is an extremely beefy fender mount. With no experience with a Special or Standard I can't say if it is different.
      While a fender will offer some help with fork rigidity, it's nowhere near as effective as a dedicated brace. Any sheetmetal 'bracing' that's U-shaped (whether it's a fender mount or a supposedly dedicated brace) will allow flex. The 'straighter' the connection between the tubes, the more effective the brace will be. That's why both the Telefix and Tkat braces mount as high on the sliders as possible. Anything that mounts to the fender points on these forks will be less effective.

      An ideal brace would be a one-piece affair running straight across the tops of the sliders. But in practice, this is pretty much impossible due to variations in manufacturing tolerances; each brace would have to be 'fitted' to each bike. If I were trying to get the best possible performance out of the XS/XJ 37mm forks, I'd lean towards the Telefix brace as it is only three pieces as opposed to the TKat at five; fewer bolted 'joints' means fewer places for flex to occur. But given the inherent limitations of these forks, either one should satisfy all but the most 'banzai' of riders...
      Fast, Cheap, Reliable... Pick any two

      '78E original owner - resto project
      '78E ???? owner - Modder project FJ forks, 4-piston calipers F/R, 160/80-16 rear tire
      '82 XJ rebuild project
      '80SG restified, red SOLD
      '79F parts...
      '81H more parts...

      Other current bikes:
      '93 XL1200 Anniversary Sportster 85RWHP
      '86 XL883/1200 Chopper
      '82 XL1000 w/1450cc Buell, Baker 6-speed, in-progress project
      Cage: '13 Mustang GT/CS with a few 'custom' touches
      Yep, can't leave nuthin' alone...

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      • #33
        I bought a vintage Micron fork brace on eBay a while ago. I had an XS1100 in the mid 1980's when Micron braces were all the rage. They fit perfectly and are made so that the rubber fork shrouds can be mounted on the top of them. They're a good, solid brace and do the job.
        XS1100F 1980 European model. Standard. Dyna coils. Iridium plugs. XS750 final drive (sometimes). Micron fork brace. Progressive front springs. Geezer regulator/rectifier. Stainless 4 into 2 exhaust. Auto CCT (Venturer 1300) SOLD. New project now on the go. 1980 European model.

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        • #34
          Having had both braces, I prefer the tkat brace a lot better.
          1980G Standard, Restored
          Kerker 4 - 1
          850 Rear End Mod
          2-21 Flashing LED Arrays on either side of license plate for Brake Light Assist, 1100 Lumen Cree Aux Lights,
          Progressive springs, Showa rear shocks
          Automatic CCT
          1980GH Special, Restored
          Stock Exhaust, New Handlebars, 1" Spacer in Fork Springs, Automatic CCT, Showa Rear Shocks
          '82 XJ1100 (Sold)
          Automatic CCT, RC Engineering 4 X 1 Exhaust, K&N Pods, #50 Pilot Jets, YICS Eliminator. Sorely missed.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Cobia View Post
            Having had both braces, I prefer the tkat brace a lot better.
            What makes you prefer tKat over teleflex?
            Nathan
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            #45 pilot Jet, #137.5 Main Jet
            OEM Exhaust
            ATK Fork Brace
            LED Dash lights
            Ammeter, Oil Pressure, Oil Temp, and Volt Meters

            Green Monster Coils
            SS Brake Lines
            Vision 550 Auto Tensioner

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            • #36
              Wobble

              Originally posted by cywelchjr View Post
              In my experience, if it wobbles at low speed, a fork brace is not going to fix it. Most likely in this case to be the tires or the headstock bearings. I had a wobble at low speed in medium to tight turns and changed tires and it's gone. Still get a bit of a wobble in a straight line sometimes at low speeds, but only on some rides.
              Thanks for that. I will be doing one change at a time. The fork brace is next.
              Was planning on changing steering head bearings next year. Will slowly get this Yami handling better.
              This past week I romoved about six inches from the top of the Vetter front window. It was too tall. Lot less turbulance now, and I can see over the top and see where I am going.

              Crusty

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              • #37
                What is the price of these braces?

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                • #38
                  Nathan,
                  It makes the forks feel more rigind and in synch. The teleflex allows more flex between the individual forks than the tkat one.
                  1980G Standard, Restored
                  Kerker 4 - 1
                  850 Rear End Mod
                  2-21 Flashing LED Arrays on either side of license plate for Brake Light Assist, 1100 Lumen Cree Aux Lights,
                  Progressive springs, Showa rear shocks
                  Automatic CCT
                  1980GH Special, Restored
                  Stock Exhaust, New Handlebars, 1" Spacer in Fork Springs, Automatic CCT, Showa Rear Shocks
                  '82 XJ1100 (Sold)
                  Automatic CCT, RC Engineering 4 X 1 Exhaust, K&N Pods, #50 Pilot Jets, YICS Eliminator. Sorely missed.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Cobia View Post
                    The teleflex allows more flex between the individual forks than the tkat one.
                    That's because it's a Tele-flex.
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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by mharrington View Post
                      What is the price of these braces?
                      Drop Tkat a line at tkat@tkat.com for pricing and availability.
                      1980 SG. (Sold - waiting on replacement)
                      2000 XJR1300. The Real modern XS11. Others are just pretenders.

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                      • #41
                        Ditto here,
                        having had both, I too prefer the Tkat one. I think my Telefix was a cast piece that was not very "precise" and allowed more "felt" flex when ridden.

                        --Nick

                        Originally posted by Cobia View Post
                        Nathan,
                        It makes the forks feel more rigind and in synch. The teleflex allows more flex between the individual forks than the tkat one.

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                        • #42
                          I have a tkat one and I live in thw mnts. Itworks much better than stock but no where near as good as the racetech emulators!!! You can ride it like a crotch rocket!
                          " She'll make point five past lightspeed. She may not look like much, but she's got it where it counts, kid. I've made a lot of special modifications myself. "

                          79 xs11 standard
                          xs pods, Kerker 4-1, zrx1200r carbs mikesxs coils 35k voltz of power!!!
                          8mm msd wires
                          tkat fork brace...
                          Fox shocks...
                          mikes650 front fender
                          led's gallore...
                          renthal bars
                          gold valve emulators
                          vmax tensioner
                          Rifle fairing

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by crazy steve View Post
                            While a fender will offer some help with fork rigidity, it's nowhere near as effective as a dedicated brace. Any sheetmetal 'bracing' that's U-shaped (whether it's a fender mount or a supposedly dedicated brace) will allow flex. The 'straighter' the connection between the tubes, the more effective the brace will be. That's why both the Telefix and Tkat braces mount as high on the sliders as possible. Anything that mounts to the fender points on these forks will be less effective.

                            An ideal brace would be a one-piece affair running straight across the tops of the sliders. But in practice, this is pretty much impossible due to variations in manufacturing tolerances; each brace would have to be 'fitted' to each bike. If I were trying to get the best possible performance out of the XS/XJ 37mm forks, I'd lean towards the Telefix brace as it is only three pieces as opposed to the TKat at five; fewer bolted 'joints' means fewer places for flex to occur. But given the inherent limitations of these forks, either one should satisfy all but the most 'banzai' of riders...
                            Just wondering, have you seen underneath the XJ front fender?
                            Just ME and my 82 XJ 1100. Mac 4>1-2 1/2" open baffle shotgun, no octy, K&N pod filters, LED tail/brake light & directionals, 750 FD mod, Ear Cannon air horn, modified bars and dash. "Motorcyclists are all bound together by a brotherhood tie through their love of the sport, and what difference does it make what machine he rides as long as he belongs to the clan." Walter Davidson, Dec. 1920 edition of Harley-Davidson Enthusiast Magazine http://s851.photobucket.com/albums/ab78/justme1100/

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by justme1100 View Post
                              Just wondering, have you seen underneath the XJ front fender?
                              Take a pic. I know there is an integrated brace but I have never seen an XJ in person. So take a pic and show us all!
                              Nathan
                              KD9ARL

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                              1978 XS1100E
                              K&N Filter
                              #45 pilot Jet, #137.5 Main Jet
                              OEM Exhaust
                              ATK Fork Brace
                              LED Dash lights
                              Ammeter, Oil Pressure, Oil Temp, and Volt Meters

                              Green Monster Coils
                              SS Brake Lines
                              Vision 550 Auto Tensioner

                              In any moment of decision the best thing you can do is the right thing, the next best thing is the wrong thing, and the worst thing you can do is nothing.

                              Theodore Roosevelt

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by justme1100 View Post
                                Just wondering, have you seen underneath the XJ front fender?
                                Nope. But perform this test: remove the fender, and grasp each mounting 'ear' in each hand. Then push/pull on the ears. If you get any flex, then the fender isn't as effective as a 'real' brace like the TKat or Telefix...
                                Fast, Cheap, Reliable... Pick any two

                                '78E original owner - resto project
                                '78E ???? owner - Modder project FJ forks, 4-piston calipers F/R, 160/80-16 rear tire
                                '82 XJ rebuild project
                                '80SG restified, red SOLD
                                '79F parts...
                                '81H more parts...

                                Other current bikes:
                                '93 XL1200 Anniversary Sportster 85RWHP
                                '86 XL883/1200 Chopper
                                '82 XL1000 w/1450cc Buell, Baker 6-speed, in-progress project
                                Cage: '13 Mustang GT/CS with a few 'custom' touches
                                Yep, can't leave nuthin' alone...

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