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    Overfilled oil help please

    Hey there, it's me again. This forum as up until now given me ever answer I've needed which is wonderful. But now I've done something really, really stupid. I noticed I was leaking oil so I put more in thinking it was running dry. This happened a couples times so I'm pretty sure I overfilled it a great amount. Needless to say I noticed the oils was dripping from the air filter box and soon after started blowing huge clouds of white smoke.( According to what I've read this is because I overfilled it I think) Anyway I sent it to the shop to figure out what was wrong and told them about the oil, so instead of checking the oil and whatnot they decided to check the seals and gaskets which are of course nearly 30 years old so they're cracked and whatnot. And they want to replace all of them for $2500. So anyway I was wondering if I drain the oil and put in the right amount will I be ok? Will I quit blowing smoke? Are there any other problems that could have resulted from my mistake? The bike, even while blowing huge amounts of smoke, was running like a champ like she always does so I'm not thoroughly convinced that I ruined everything completely ya know. Any and all advice will be appreciated. Thank You!
    1981 Yamaha Midnight Special 1100
    1981 XS1100L Midnight Special
    Tags: oil, overfill, smoke
  • #2
    Somebody please correct me if I am wrong, but I think you can just drain the oil and put in the correct amount. I don't think there is alot of pressure in the crank case. It is definitely worth a shot.
    Harry

    The voices in my head are giving me the silent treatment.

    '79 Standard
    '82 XJ1100
    '84 FJ1100


    Acta Non Verba

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    • #3
      On the back right of the motor, you have a large vent tube that will plug into the top of your air box. This is a crankcase and middle drive vent. If you over-fill it with oil, it will push the extra out into your air box and try to drip out and burn it som.

      You should be OK.. But only one way to find out. If you don't want to drain your oil, you can go buy a cheap turkey baster and suck it out of the oil fill hole until it's down to where it needs to be.

      Clean your air filter and run it a while and it should eventually clear up.


      Tod
      Try your hardest to be the kind of person your dog thinks you are.

      You can live to be 100, as long as you give up everything that would make you want to live to be 100!

      Current bikes:
      '06 Suzuki DR650
      *'82 XJ1100 with the 1179 kit. "Mad Maxim"
      '82 XJ1100 Completely stock fixer-upper
      '82 XJ1100 Bagger fixer-upper
      '82 XJ1100 Motor/frame and lots of boxes of parts
      '82 XJ1100 Parts bike
      '81 XS1100 Special
      '81 YZ250
      '80 XS850 Special
      '80 XR100
      *Crashed/Totalled, still own

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      • #4
        Lots of people have overfilled with oil without destroying anything. It usually just comes puking out the breather (which attaches to your air box). I'd let some out, either through the drain or by using a suction device from the top, and then see what happens. In the future you should probably use the sight glass below the oil filler hole, and the marks that are provided to tell you if it's full. Check when relatively cold and on the center stand. When you start it it will pump the oil up out of the pan, and it takes a while for it to settle back down so you can get a low reading if you check immediately after shutting down.

        Man, I've got to start typing faster. Didn't mean this to be a message from the Department of Redundancy Department .
        I think I have a loose screw behind the handlebars.

        '79 XS11 Standard, Jardine 4/1, Dyna DC1-1 Coils, 145 mains, 45 pilots, plastic floats - 25.7mm, XV920 fuel valves, inline fuel filters, speed bleeders, Mikes XS pods, spade-type fuse block, fork brace, progressive fork springs/shocks, manual petcocks, 750 FD, Venture cam chain tensioner, SS brake lines

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        • #5
          from the Department of Redundancy Department
          Which in itself is a redundancy... lol.
          Try your hardest to be the kind of person your dog thinks you are.

          You can live to be 100, as long as you give up everything that would make you want to live to be 100!

          Current bikes:
          '06 Suzuki DR650
          *'82 XJ1100 with the 1179 kit. "Mad Maxim"
          '82 XJ1100 Completely stock fixer-upper
          '82 XJ1100 Bagger fixer-upper
          '82 XJ1100 Motor/frame and lots of boxes of parts
          '82 XJ1100 Parts bike
          '81 XS1100 Special
          '81 YZ250
          '80 XS850 Special
          '80 XR100
          *Crashed/Totalled, still own

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          • #6
            $2500 to replace gaskets??!! Holy cow!! Get a tube of Permatex for $8 and you can do it all yourself. The oil in the airbox is quite possibly the result of oil being blown up through the vent hose. This happens if the oil is over-filled. Be sure to ALWAYS check the oil level on the centerstand (NOT the side stand) through the glass on the right side of the case. If you can't see the top of the oil, you have too much or not enough.

            You can use a turkey baster to suck oil out through the fill hole until you see the top of the oil. However, now might be a good time for an oil change anyway, and you can just drain the oil and take the oil pan off and replace the gasket with permatex.

            So far, I have replaced the seals on the oil pan, the left and right side engine covers, and the middle gear housing with permatex. Since I have the MNS, I use the "Ultra Black" to match the color of the engine. Do yourself a favor and stay away from the orange stuff. It's just ugly... Oh, and stay away from that mechanic!
            1980 XS850SG - Sold
            1981 XS1100LH Midnight Special (Sold) - purchased 9/29/08
            Fully Vetterized and Dynojet Kit added, Heated Grips, Truck-Lite LED headlight, Accel Coils, Irridium plugs, TKAT Fork Brace, XS850LH Final Drive & Black SS Brake lines from Chacal.
            Here's my web page devoted to my bike! XS/XJ User's Manuals there, and the XJ1100 Service Manual and both XS1100 Service manuals (free download!).

            Whether you think you can, or you think you cannot - You're right.
            -H. Ford

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            • #7
              Thank God

              You guys have restored my hopes of having a working vehicle, thank you so much. As for the $2500 I think that's a bit obscene. I'm never going back to that shop again, the only problem is they're really the only ones who work on Jap bikes, everyone else only does Harleys. I'm picking up the bike tomorrow morning and I'm going to change the oil and put the RIGHT AMOUNT in it. I'll let you guys know how it works out, ya know just in case there's another poor sap like me who does the same thing and needs an answer. Thank you so much everybody.
              1981 XS1100L Midnight Special

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              • #8
                The oil in the airbox is quite possibly the result of oil being blown up through the vent hose. This happens if the oil is over-filled. Be sure to ALWAYS check the oil level on the centerstand (NOT the side stand) through the glass on the right side of the case. If you can't see the top of the oil, you have too much or not enough.

                You can use a turkey baster to suck oil out through the fill hole until you see the top of the oil.

                Can you have redundant redundancy?


                Tod
                Try your hardest to be the kind of person your dog thinks you are.

                You can live to be 100, as long as you give up everything that would make you want to live to be 100!

                Current bikes:
                '06 Suzuki DR650
                *'82 XJ1100 with the 1179 kit. "Mad Maxim"
                '82 XJ1100 Completely stock fixer-upper
                '82 XJ1100 Bagger fixer-upper
                '82 XJ1100 Motor/frame and lots of boxes of parts
                '82 XJ1100 Parts bike
                '81 XS1100 Special
                '81 YZ250
                '80 XS850 Special
                '80 XR100
                *Crashed/Totalled, still own

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by trbig View Post
                  Can you have redundant redundancy?


                  Tod
                  Hmmm...what does this thread remind me of now....oh yeah an old joke....

                  Pete and repeat sat on a fence, Pete fell off and who was left.........
                  Life is what happens while your planning everything else!

                  When your work speaks for itself, don't interrupt.

                  81 XS1100 Special - Humpty Dumpty
                  80 XS1100 Special - Project Resurrection


                  Previously owned
                  93 GSX600F
                  80 XS1100 Special - Ruby
                  81 XS1100 Special
                  81 CB750 C
                  80 CB750 C
                  78 XS750

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                  • #10
                    As long as you're sure it is just too much oil in the crankcase, you could just drain it down till the level is between the marks in the sight glass. Of course, the bike need to be on the centrestand whan you do this.

                    If there is any danger that you have leaky petcocks and float valves, that extra volume might be gas. That would be very bad for your bottom end bearings. In that case, you need to drain it out competely and start over. That is, after you fix the petcock and float valve problem.
                    Ken Talbot

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                    • #11
                      The oil in the airbox is quite possibly the result of oil being blown up through the vent hose. This happens if the oil is over-filled. Be sure to ALWAYS check the oil level on the centerstand (NOT the side stand) through the glass on the right side of the case. If you can't see the top of the oil, you have too much or not enough.

                      You can use a turkey baster to suck oil out through the fill hole until you see the top of the oil.

                      Couldn't resist being redundant with the rest of you.
                      Harry

                      The voices in my head are giving me the silent treatment.

                      '79 Standard
                      '82 XJ1100
                      '84 FJ1100


                      Acta Non Verba

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by trbig View Post
                        If you over-fill it with oil, it will push the extra out into your air box and try to drip out and burn it some.
                        Originally posted by dbeardslee View Post
                        It usually just comes puking out the breather (which attaches to your air box).
                        Originally posted by CatatonicBug View Post
                        The oil in the airbox is quite possibly the result of oil being blown up through the vent hose. This happens if the oil is over-filled.
                        Originally posted by Bigfoot View Post
                        The oil in the airbox is quite possibly the result of oil being blown up through the vent hose. This happens if the oil is over-filled.
                        Are y'all absolutely sure about this?



                        Originally posted by trbig View Post
                        You should be OK.. But only one way to find out. If you don't want to drain your oil, you can go buy a cheap turkey baster and suck it out of the oil fill hole until it's down to where it needs to be.
                        Originally posted by dbeardslee View Post
                        I'd let some out, either through the drain or by using a suction device from the top, and then see what happens.
                        Originally posted by CatatonicBug View Post
                        You can use a turkey baster to suck oil out through the fill hole until you see the top of the oil.
                        Originally posted by Bigfoot View Post
                        You can use a turkey baster to suck oil out through the fill hole until you see the top of the oil.
                        Well crap Tod... why didn't you say anything about that?
                        Oh wait...




                        Originally posted by dbeardslee View Post
                        Man, I've got to start typing faster. Didn't mean this to be a message from the Department of Redundancy Department .
                        No doubt! Sheesh Doug... what up wit dat?


                        Originally posted by Bigfoot View Post
                        Couldn't resist being redundant with the rest of you.
                        Nice job Harry!


                        Originally posted by trbig View Post
                        Can you have redundant redundancy?


                        Tod
                        Apparently... a few times...

                        (just wait until I have my second cup of coffee)
                        lol

                        By the way Sleeping, I was hoping that $2500 was a typo but DANG!
                        You can buy a couple of decent XS11s for that price!
                        You've found the best resource for these bikes right here at XS11...
                        I don't know where you're located, but there are probably some members near you who wouldn't mind helping you find your way around the bike...
                        Last edited by Wildkat; 10-02-2009, 04:50 AM.
                        81 SH Something Special
                        81 frame, 80 tank and side covers, 79 tail light and carbs, 78 engine, 750 final drive mod, Geezer rec/reg, 140 mains, LH wheels
                        ☺

                        79 SF MEAUQABEAUXS
                        81SH Nor'eas tah (Old Red)
                        80 LG Black Magic
                        78 E Standard Practice


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                        If I can make at least one person smile, or pee their pants a little, or maybe spit out their drink; then my day is not wasted.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by trbig View Post
                          Can you have redundant redundancy?


                          Tod
                          Yeah, nobody else had answered when I started typing. By the time I finished typing, three people had already responded...
                          1980 XS850SG - Sold
                          1981 XS1100LH Midnight Special (Sold) - purchased 9/29/08
                          Fully Vetterized and Dynojet Kit added, Heated Grips, Truck-Lite LED headlight, Accel Coils, Irridium plugs, TKAT Fork Brace, XS850LH Final Drive & Black SS Brake lines from Chacal.
                          Here's my web page devoted to my bike! XS/XJ User's Manuals there, and the XJ1100 Service Manual and both XS1100 Service manuals (free download!).

                          Whether you think you can, or you think you cannot - You're right.
                          -H. Ford

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                          • #14
                            Lotsa man-hours

                            Hi Sleeper,
                            it don't need doing and won't solve the problem if it gets done and then you overfill the engine again
                            BUT
                            at today's shop rates $2,500 is a reasonable price to remove, tear down, clean up, replace all seals and gaskets, rebuild and re-install your engine.
                            Fred Hill, S'toon
                            XS11SG with Spirit of America sidecar
                            "The Flying Pumpkin"

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                            • #15
                              I'll do it for a third of that, Fred!


                              Tod
                              Try your hardest to be the kind of person your dog thinks you are.

                              You can live to be 100, as long as you give up everything that would make you want to live to be 100!

                              Current bikes:
                              '06 Suzuki DR650
                              *'82 XJ1100 with the 1179 kit. "Mad Maxim"
                              '82 XJ1100 Completely stock fixer-upper
                              '82 XJ1100 Bagger fixer-upper
                              '82 XJ1100 Motor/frame and lots of boxes of parts
                              '82 XJ1100 Parts bike
                              '81 XS1100 Special
                              '81 YZ250
                              '80 XS850 Special
                              '80 XR100
                              *Crashed/Totalled, still own

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