Are the carb diaphrams supposed to rotate?

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  • Incubus
    XS-XJ Guru
    • Aug 2006
    • 1003
    • Austin TX

    #1

    Are the carb diaphrams supposed to rotate?

    Around the base in the middle that holds the needle? Of my four diaphrams, two will move around the base and two seemed fixed. I mean you can hold the needle holder and the diaphram will slide around it. Are the fixed ones stuck from age or are the ones that move decrepit with age. If they move and they aren't supposed to, will they still serve their purpose? Other than this movement thing, all the diaphrams are intact and relatively supple.

    Thanks,

    Patrick
    The glorious rays of the rising sun exist only to create shadows in which doom may hide.

    XS11F (Incubus, daily rider)
    1969 Yamaha DT1B
    Five other bikes whose names do not begin with "Y"
  • foreda
    XSive Maximus
    • Oct 2008
    • 949
    • Southwest Louisiana

    #2
    Diaphrams

    If you are talking about 78/79 carbs, I do not think the diaphrams are suppose to rotate.
    78 XS1100E Standard
    Coca Cola Red
    Hooker Headers

    http://i408.photobucket.com/albums/p...m/DSC00580.jpg

    1979 XS1100 Special
    http://i408.photobucket.com/albums/p...m/DSC00612.jpg

    1980 XS Standard
    http://i408.photobucket.com/albums/p...m/DSC01137.jpg

    2006 Roadstar Warrior
    http://i408.photobucket.com/albums/p...um/warrior.jpg

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    • Bamper
      XSive
      • May 2008
      • 97
      • Maine

      #3
      its been a while scince ive had mine apart but if i rememer correctly dont they have a little tab on the top ring of the rubber that sits in a groove on the carb body so they cannot rotate. but i dont rememer if my rubbers (no pun intended) rotated or not i dont beleave they did. and on another note if they do rotate then that would mean there is a small gap between the rubber and the slide so it might not get the vacume it needs.
      1979 XS1100 SF (production number 572)
      1972 Kawasaki g4 TR-B with high and low transmision
      1974 kawasaki G4
      2003 Polaris 250 Trailblazer
      1975 Yamaha Enduro 175

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      • Incubus
        XS-XJ Guru
        • Aug 2006
        • 1003
        • Austin TX

        #4
        They do have a tab, but I'm talking about when I have them out of the carbs. They will sit still once the carb is closed up, I just don't know if there will be an unexpected air leak that would cause the crab not to operate correctly. If they are supposed to be fixed and they instead move that could mean a seal is broken and air would be getting in instead of the diaphram working right. That's my concern.
        The glorious rays of the rising sun exist only to create shadows in which doom may hide.

        XS11F (Incubus, daily rider)
        1969 Yamaha DT1B
        Five other bikes whose names do not begin with "Y"

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        • Bamper
          XSive
          • May 2008
          • 97
          • Maine

          #5
          now that i think i back im 99% sure they aren't supposed to rotate if i get a chance later ill pull mine off and check.
          1979 XS1100 SF (production number 572)
          1972 Kawasaki g4 TR-B with high and low transmision
          1974 kawasaki G4
          2003 Polaris 250 Trailblazer
          1975 Yamaha Enduro 175

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          • jjwaller
            XStremely XSive
            • Oct 2005
            • 242
            • Gautier, MS

            #6
            No they most definitely do not rotate.
            They are clamped in place when the top is screwed down.
            Make sure they are in place all around the groove in the body and then
            screw down the top.
            John
            Now: '78 XS1100E 750 FD Mod (Big Dog)
            '81 CB900C ( 10 Speed)
            '78 CB750F ( The F)
            '76 CB400F ( The Elf)
            New '82 Honda MB5 Ring Ding
            Then: '76 CB550K
            '78 CB750F
            '84 VF1100S
            And still Looking!

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            • red bandit
              XSive Maximus
              • May 2005
              • 950
              • central michigan

              #7
              The rubber diaphram is not supossed to turn on the slide. Unless it turns real easy I wouldn't worry about it. The little hole in the bottom of the slide goes towards the engine.
              79 F full cruiser, stainless brake lines, spade fuses, Accel coils, modded air box w/larger velocity stacks, 750 FD.
              79 SF parts bike.

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              • Crazcnuk
                XS-XJ Guru
                • Aug 2006
                • 2980
                • Hinton, AB, Canada

                #8
                The diaphragms are fixed so as to locate the breather hole in the bottom of the slide.

                If you look, when they are together, all those holes will be lined up the same in each carb.
                Nice day, if it doesn't rain...

                '05 ST1300
                '83 502/502 Monte Carlo for sale/trade

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                • petejw
                  XS-XJ Guru
                  • May 2005
                  • 2269
                  • sydney australia

                  #9
                  There not suppose to rotate,
                  but you can pull the diaphrams off by cutting the
                  plastic top ring with a sharp knife and carefully
                  prying it off, you can then inspect the inside of the diaphram,
                  ive done this to replace them.
                  pete


                  new owner of
                  08 gen2 hayabusa


                  former owner
                  1981 xs1100 RH (aus) (5N5)
                  zrx carbs
                  18mm float height
                  145 main jets
                  38 pilots
                  slide needle shimmed .5mm washer
                  fitted with v/stax and uni pod filters

                  [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pA8dwxmAVA&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL[/url]

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