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  • #16
    Hey Webs,

    Back to basics. FIRST, we need to be sure of what bike you have. In the MISC forum/tips there's a thread you can check your VIN# against to verify what you have. Be sure your engine and frame have the same #'s, engines get swapped alot!

    Next, IF it is a 79 with 79 carbs, you've removed the main and pilot jets. Do you remember removing a screw from on top of the pilot jet tower? The pilots feed from the MAIN thru a sharing tunnel, so the pilot tower is to be capped.

    Next, the float height is 25.7mm + 1mm, from carb gasket surface. Does it have the brass floats? Did you replace the float valves and seats? If you didn't, inspect the valve tip, if you see a groove in it, it's worn and needs replaced. You can polish the seat. You can also do a mod to get the newer styled rubber tipped float needle valves, will need to replace the valve seats with the ones for the XV920 IIRC, recent threads about that will clarify that detail. The newer valves tend to get stuck in the older style seats, the XV920 uses the screw in style vs. the newer XS uses a press in style, so it won't work with the older carbs.

    Next, did you separate the carbs from the bank holder? IF not, then you need to explore and clean out the UPPER "T" fittings, ensure that you can get AIR thru them, they are the bowl vents, and IF CLOGGED, will cause the carbs to flood!! Inspect the ports on your airbox, they also clog with fuel/oil vapor and debris, check the hoses to the nipples as well!! And check that float for leaks! Also, new bowl gaskets sometimes stick out into the carb body and can cause the float to hang up on them, check and trim as needed. Also, when the carbs are empty, when filling them, the floats can hang up from dropping so low, and a simple rap on the carb with a rubber mallet can shake them loose and get them floating properly!

    Instead of bread stick tie, use the 3 ports in the upper carb throat, and ensure that when the butterflies are almost closed, that they partially cover/close the last of the 3 holes, this is a better bench synch. But yes, you will need to vacuum synch them. But you may want to check your valves first, because IF you need to change them, you will change the air flow, and will need to resynch them afterwards!!

    Yeah, pickup coil wires is another must check and fix, then verify that you are hitting on all 4 spark wise, then you can get the carbs tuned in!
    T. C. Gresham
    81SH "Godzilla" . . .1179cc super-rat.
    79SF "The Teacher" . . .basket case!
    History shows again and again,
    How nature points out the folly of men!

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    • #17
      gremlins

      Yep, topcat. checked vin/parts and we're all good, STOCK setup

      yes sir, full teardown.
      screw, pilot jets main jets, emulsion tube, air jet, blah blah blah
      all in little pieces on my work bench and blew carb cleaner through every hole
      i could find, yep float bowls and vents too. i removed every part i could find
      short of splitting the bank.

      Brass floats, no leaks.
      i'm planning on replacing the float valve assemblies with stock parts.

      all 4 cylinders firing, i never had any "cutting" out from cold to warm engine temp, i checked the pick-up wires they are original. but pulling showed no breaks.

      i'll probibly check valve clearance next, if i can figure that out and get the
      new shims lined up, dragon tamer said he would be kind enough to show me
      how to swap them out and recheck everything.

      TTFN
      Thank you All!!!!

      Webs
      1979 XS1100SF Special.78 E motor/carbs, Jardine 4-2 exhaust, XS Green coils, Corbin seat, S.S. Brake lines, Hard cases, Heated grips.

      2012 FJR1300 Gen 2. Heli bar risers, R-gaza crash bars, mccruise cruise control.

      (2)2008 WR250R. Because kids outgrew others.

      2007 Suzuki V-Strom 1000. (Just added 2024) pre-crashed.

      1975 Kawasaki S1 250. My first bike. Still have it. NO I'm not selling it!!

      Most bike problems are caused by a loose nut connecting the handlebars and the seat!!

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      • #18
        &#91quote] after disassembling carb's, i found the 2 differently ported emmulsion tubes
        with the low port counts on carbs 2&3 and high port counts on 1&4. I did the reading here on XS11.com, found that was wrong. &#91/quote]


        Anybody else get a head scratch here? Seems contrary to most info on the site.
        79SF
        XJ11
        78E

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        • #19
          What did i do now??????

          hmm, did i get the incorrect???

          i pulled the emulsion tubes out.
          cylinders 1&4 had 16 hole tubes
          cylinders 2&3 had 12 hole tubes i believe (approx count, but less then other 2)
          i was under the impression that these holes/ports fed the pilot curcuit.

          the way i've understood this,
          cyl 1&4 need less gas/less ports
          cyl 2&3 need more gas/more ports

          PLEASE correct me if i'm wrong!!!

          Thank you
          Webs
          1979 XS1100SF Special.78 E motor/carbs, Jardine 4-2 exhaust, XS Green coils, Corbin seat, S.S. Brake lines, Hard cases, Heated grips.

          2012 FJR1300 Gen 2. Heli bar risers, R-gaza crash bars, mccruise cruise control.

          (2)2008 WR250R. Because kids outgrew others.

          2007 Suzuki V-Strom 1000. (Just added 2024) pre-crashed.

          1975 Kawasaki S1 250. My first bike. Still have it. NO I'm not selling it!!

          Most bike problems are caused by a loose nut connecting the handlebars and the seat!!

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          • #20
            i would like to ask one question did u order rebuild kits for the carbs? were they from EBAY?
            1980 xs1100 sg.

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            • #21
              low port counts on carbs 2&3 and high port counts on 1&4. I did the reading here on XS11.com, found that was wrong
              The holes in the sides are for air from the air pilot jets located at the carb inlet throat (rear). Less air (holes) means more (richer) fuel. The gas is pulled up thru the center of the pilot jet from the bowl ( on 78-79 models this actually is via a passage hole from the main jet inlet just above the main jet).

              The 79 standard had all 4 tubes the same (16 holes) and it is generally accepted there should be no problem if you ever needed to run it that way on the special if nec. FWIW
              79SF
              XJ11
              78E

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              • #22
                REF last post on this thread

                I think I missed my meds. Been working on pilot jet issues on some bs28 carbs.As i went back to that problem I realized how F U my last post was.

                The emulsion tubes have nothing to do with the pilot circuit. The side holes explanation is correct (less holes = richer fuel mix) The air for the main jet circuit comes from the pressed in (non-removable) jet in the intake bore .

                Less holes in 2&3. Now I will climb back under my rock. Good luck on your project.

                P.S. I absolutely admire the effort you have put into studying the forum for all the info here. I do believe almost ever question ever asked has been asked and addressed . Some of the most detailed info goes back to post from years past from some who have moved on from here for one reason or another.
                79SF
                XJ11
                78E

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                • #23
                  hee hee hee...

                  thanks to "Dragon Tamer"
                  SHE LIVES EGOR, SHE LIVES!!!!

                  we figured out the emulsion tudes went high count to outsides low count to center 2

                  we checked valve clearence (all good) and he showed/explained proper removing and installation.

                  and showed me how to sync the carbs (that was 98% of the problem)

                  he did alot of explaining and pointed out many procedures for the bike.

                  he was a GREAT help and i should become very efficiant at working on this
                  XS and i'm sure it will be in service for many years to come!!!!!

                  I am XStremely greatful for the training i've recieved and would like to
                  Thank ALL OF YOU, for your help and time!!!!!

                  This group is one of the best "brotherhoods" i've ever come across!!!!

                  Thanks again!!
                  Webs
                  1979 XS1100SF Special.78 E motor/carbs, Jardine 4-2 exhaust, XS Green coils, Corbin seat, S.S. Brake lines, Hard cases, Heated grips.

                  2012 FJR1300 Gen 2. Heli bar risers, R-gaza crash bars, mccruise cruise control.

                  (2)2008 WR250R. Because kids outgrew others.

                  2007 Suzuki V-Strom 1000. (Just added 2024) pre-crashed.

                  1975 Kawasaki S1 250. My first bike. Still have it. NO I'm not selling it!!

                  Most bike problems are caused by a loose nut connecting the handlebars and the seat!!

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                  • #24
                    Its this way

                    As much as I would like to take all of the credit, I can't! Webs is an amazingly apt student and familiar with motorcycles. He had already done a lot of what needed done and learns with startling rapidity. His bike, which I stupidly forgot to take a picture of, is in amazingly good condition. He has a real treasure on his hands.
                    He and his gracious wife are very nice people to be around and tried their best to totally wreck my diet (on which I have been trying to get rid of the 20 plus pounds I gained sitting on my butt while my broken ribs healed). Good times working on the bike, good food and a couple of cold ones. It just don't get no better than that. I am looking forward to doing some riding with them! His other bikes are also very well maintained which bodes well for the XS also, I was much pleased to see that also.
                    Webs has a couple of small kinks to work out yet, some of which he has already gotten taken care of and knows exactly what to do with the rest of them as soon as the parts arrive. It will only be a very short time until we can add another riding XS to our family here on CH11.
                    Thanks Webs for the astounding day, and also for that oh so excellent steak, one does not expect such hospitality! You may have spoiled me badly!
                    The Old Tamer
                    _________________________
                    1979 XS1100SF (The Fire Dragon)
                    1982 650 Maxim (The Little Dragon)
                    another '82 650 Maxim (Parts Dragon)
                    1981 XS1100SH (The Black Dragon)

                    If there are more than three bolts holding it on there, it is most likely a very important part!

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                    • #25
                      puuurrrrrr's

                      hmm, carb rebuild kits installed, floats set to 26.7mm (kits from georgefix)
                      gas level holding very well, no "dripping" carbs.

                      carbs are re-sync'ed, and the engine purrs......

                      idle can be set as low as 600 rpm, but when the engine is cold that
                      probibly won't play very well. so i opted for 1200rpm. Seems quite nice.

                      i did a short test run, 36 miles. ran very well.
                      perhaps a touch rich on the pilot curcuit, need to check plugs.

                      hmm... speedo "died"... argh....

                      hee hee hee

                      cable fell off of speedo... vibration from previous engine problems must have
                      rattled it loose..

                      easy fix. i'll lube it since its off anyway

                      she is up and running!!!!!!!!!!!
                      time to let the big dog eat!

                      Thanks again ALL!!!!
                      Webs
                      1979 XS1100SF Special.78 E motor/carbs, Jardine 4-2 exhaust, XS Green coils, Corbin seat, S.S. Brake lines, Hard cases, Heated grips.

                      2012 FJR1300 Gen 2. Heli bar risers, R-gaza crash bars, mccruise cruise control.

                      (2)2008 WR250R. Because kids outgrew others.

                      2007 Suzuki V-Strom 1000. (Just added 2024) pre-crashed.

                      1975 Kawasaki S1 250. My first bike. Still have it. NO I'm not selling it!!

                      Most bike problems are caused by a loose nut connecting the handlebars and the seat!!

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                      • #26
                        Excellent!!

                        Glad to hear shes running good for you. One more 11 back from the dead, or at least the pits of despair!
                        Life is what happens while your planning everything else!

                        When your work speaks for itself, don't interrupt.

                        81 XS1100 Special - Humpty Dumpty
                        80 XS1100 Special - Project Resurrection


                        Previously owned
                        93 GSX600F
                        80 XS1100 Special - Ruby
                        81 XS1100 Special
                        81 CB750 C
                        80 CB750 C
                        78 XS750

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                        • #27
                          carbs are fun...

                          running like a scalded cat, yep it's all good.

                          Pulled the plugs today and found to my suprise...

                          she's running lean. hmm. oh well rejet rejet and rejet some more..

                          with the hardly pipes on there i'm not shocked.

                          i'll go up 2 mains and 1 pilot.

                          the plugs are perfectly clean, after 40 miles. 10 city, 30 hills and twisties.

                          now i have a project for my next week off.
                          1979 XS1100SF Special.78 E motor/carbs, Jardine 4-2 exhaust, XS Green coils, Corbin seat, S.S. Brake lines, Hard cases, Heated grips.

                          2012 FJR1300 Gen 2. Heli bar risers, R-gaza crash bars, mccruise cruise control.

                          (2)2008 WR250R. Because kids outgrew others.

                          2007 Suzuki V-Strom 1000. (Just added 2024) pre-crashed.

                          1975 Kawasaki S1 250. My first bike. Still have it. NO I'm not selling it!!

                          Most bike problems are caused by a loose nut connecting the handlebars and the seat!!

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