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  • Shuriken
    XS-XJ Guru
    • Jul 2002
    • 1093
    • Southwest USA

    #1

    Cylinder Head Swap?

    Are the 1978 and 1980 (standard) cylinder heads interchangeable?

    Ben
    1985 Yamaha VMX12n "Max X" - Stock
    1982 Honda XL500r "Big Red" - Stump Puller. Unknown mileage.
    1974-78 Honda XL350 hybrid - The thumper that revs. Unknown miles.
    1974 Suzuki TC/TS125 hybrid. Trials with trail gear. Invaluable. Unknown miles.
    1971 Honda CL350. For Dad. Newtronic Electronic Ign. Reliable. Unknown miles.

    Formerly:
    1982 XS650
    1980 XS1100g
    1979 XS1100sf
    1978 XS1100e donor
  • skids
    XS-XJ Super Guru
    • Jul 2002
    • 5050
    • Florissant, CO, USA

    #2
    Re: Cylinder Head Swap?

    I believe that there is a difference in the intake valve/seat diameter.

    Originally posted by ae7f
    Are the 1978 and 1980 (standard) cylinder heads interchangeable?

    Ben
    Skids (Sid Hansen)

    Down to one 1978 E. Stock air box with K&N filter, 81H pipes and carbs, 8500 feet elevation.

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    • Shuriken
      XS-XJ Guru
      • Jul 2002
      • 1093
      • Southwest USA

      #3
      So that would create piston clearance problems (?) and the answer would be "not interchangeable" then, right?

      Ben
      1985 Yamaha VMX12n "Max X" - Stock
      1982 Honda XL500r "Big Red" - Stump Puller. Unknown mileage.
      1974-78 Honda XL350 hybrid - The thumper that revs. Unknown miles.
      1974 Suzuki TC/TS125 hybrid. Trials with trail gear. Invaluable. Unknown miles.
      1971 Honda CL350. For Dad. Newtronic Electronic Ign. Reliable. Unknown miles.

      Formerly:
      1982 XS650
      1980 XS1100g
      1979 XS1100sf
      1978 XS1100e donor

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      • skids
        XS-XJ Super Guru
        • Jul 2002
        • 5050
        • Florissant, CO, USA

        #4
        The valves certainly are not interchangable from head to head. I would be inclined to try the complete head though, Ben. Take caution as I have not done it. Has anyone out there done it?

        Originally posted by ae7f
        So that would create piston clearance problems (?) and the answer would be "not interchangeable" then, right?

        Ben
        Skids (Sid Hansen)

        Down to one 1978 E. Stock air box with K&N filter, 81H pipes and carbs, 8500 feet elevation.

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        • sixtysix
          No XS but XSive as can be!
          • Jun 2002
          • 1958
          • Central New York State

          #5
          I know they changed some stuff on the cylinder head for 1980, valve size was changed, combustion chamber shape. I think the 80 got bigger valves to try and make up for the HP lost due to other emissions regs. Like the non-adjustable vac advance. I am not sure they would interchange.
          Gary Granger
          Remember, we are the caretakers of mechanical art.
          2013 Suzuki DR650SE, 2009 Kawasaki Concours 1400, 2003 Aprilia RSV Mille Tuono

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          • Shuriken
            XS-XJ Guru
            • Jul 2002
            • 1093
            • Southwest USA

            #6
            The reason I am inquiring is because I have a 1978 for parts. It has a good set of carbs I cleaned recently and good guages. If not much else I need is interchangeable I'll get rid of the partzer.

            Ben
            1985 Yamaha VMX12n "Max X" - Stock
            1982 Honda XL500r "Big Red" - Stump Puller. Unknown mileage.
            1974-78 Honda XL350 hybrid - The thumper that revs. Unknown miles.
            1974 Suzuki TC/TS125 hybrid. Trials with trail gear. Invaluable. Unknown miles.
            1971 Honda CL350. For Dad. Newtronic Electronic Ign. Reliable. Unknown miles.

            Formerly:
            1982 XS650
            1980 XS1100g
            1979 XS1100sf
            1978 XS1100e donor

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            • fusionking
              XStremely XSive
              • Feb 2003
              • 453
              • lake of the ozarks MO

              #7
              Of course they will interchange! Just swap out ever else it takes like pistons etc... Sounds Like more power could be on tap though. Older heads (smaller chambers) newer valves (bigger) newer pistons or big bore which would already have bigger valve notches. You can bet this has already been done. Garry
              Garry
              '79 SF "Battle Cat"
              outbackweld@charter.net

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              • Shuriken
                XS-XJ Guru
                • Jul 2002
                • 1093
                • Southwest USA

                #8
                Thanks for the replies everyone.

                So.... I use my existing 1980g cylinder assembly. I bore it to fit the Wiseco kit. Install the new pistons. Use of the '78 head is okay because it has smaller valve dimensions and won't interfere with the new pistons, which already give more valve clearance?

                Correct or not?

                Would the reduction in power due to use of the '78 head be enough to justify just rebuilding the '80 head instead and using it? I'm power hungry and want this bike to get the 95hp back and be able to run as fast as I've heard they can.

                On a different note, I also went through the carbs that came off of the '78. Would there be any performance difference between different years of carb banks?

                Ben
                1985 Yamaha VMX12n "Max X" - Stock
                1982 Honda XL500r "Big Red" - Stump Puller. Unknown mileage.
                1974-78 Honda XL350 hybrid - The thumper that revs. Unknown miles.
                1974 Suzuki TC/TS125 hybrid. Trials with trail gear. Invaluable. Unknown miles.
                1971 Honda CL350. For Dad. Newtronic Electronic Ign. Reliable. Unknown miles.

                Formerly:
                1982 XS650
                1980 XS1100g
                1979 XS1100sf
                1978 XS1100e donor

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                • Dennyz
                  XS-XJ Guru
                  • Jul 2002
                  • 1151
                  • Olympia, Washington

                  #9
                  My experience has been that '78-'79 carbs are easier to tune for performance over the '80-'81. That said, both sets of carbs can be dialed in to do what they were designed to do.

                  The '80-'81 set has emission considerations that the '78-'79 set does not.
                  DZ
                  Vyger, 'F'
                  "The Special", 'SF'
                  '08 FJR1300

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