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    so I set my floats at 25.7mm and checked the needles and they are set to run richer with the clips down 1 slot mains are 142.5 pilots 42.5 bike starts with ruff idle and proceeds to creep up to 4k rpm throttle cable is free I know I need to sync but do I need to go up a main jet size to get rid of this symptom???
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  • #2
    pre sync

    I did a pre sync by lining up the butterflys covering 1/2 of the top holes
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    • #3
      We're going to need more info, what else has been done to the bike? Things such as exhaust - stock, 4 to 2 or 4 to 1? Intake, pod filters, stock airbox, stock air filter or after market (KN) air filter.

      The rough idle is most likely because you haven't synched the carbs yet.

      Are you using the choke? If it creeps up to 4k with the choke on then all is well, thats about what mine idles at with the choke on.

      If your not using the choke then can you adjust the idle down using the big idle adjustment screw between carbs 2&3 on the back (air filter) side of the carbs?
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      • #4
        sync

        Check your sync with carb sticks or guages before changing jets. You might be allright just the way it is. I've experimented with the different needle clip positions, and i found that the middle setting (recommended) always works the best.
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        • #5
          mods

          4/1 bassani exhaust high flow, pod filters , I know the ruff idle will be fixed with a sync and the choke is off
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          • #6
            sync

            any body know a good place in san digo to buy a sync tool
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            • #7
              idle

              I set the main idle knob so it idles at about 1.5k
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              • #8
                Originally posted by 81xsproject

                I have pods and a 4-1 and I would very much recommend the 'formula' in the tech tips. It basically recommends 2 sizes up for 4-1, 2 sizes up for pods, and if the increase totals more that 3 sizes up, you subtract 1 size off the main and go up 1 size in pilot. So, for you and me, that works out to 3 sizes up on the main, and 1 size up for the pilot.
                Using that formula it would suggest 145 main (137.5 stock) and 47.5 pilots (45.0 stock) buttttttt, your needle is adjusted down one so, try syncing it and running the way it is.

                The only real formula is trial(t) + error(f) = success

                where t is the number of trials and f is the number of errors
                Ernie
                79XS1100SF (no longer naked, now a bagger)
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                • #9
                  ok

                  so is this a sign of running lean or what??? I just ordered 45s and 50s and I have 3 sizes of pilots do you think I should jet up and put the needles back to stock??
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                  • #10
                    carb sync.

                    These are the gauges I use to sync. carbs. Much more convienent than the sticks, IMHO.

                    http://www.jcwhitney.com/autoparts/P...Ntt=carb+gauge

                    My guage kit came with all 4 gauges mounted in a nice metal holder (not shown in pic).
                    Last edited by bikerphil; 06-05-2008, 04:29 PM.
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                    3H3 owned since '06

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                    • #11
                      I bought a set of thse a couple of years ago, and in my opinon they are junk! After the first use, the needles would not zero out, and I couldn't adjust the gauge face enough to zero them. They only went back to about 5 inches of mercury. I have a good quality vacuum gauge that I use at work, so I brought it home, and using T fittings I was able to hookup to each cylinder, and by using the dampers to control which cylinder I was reading I was able to dial my carbs in much better than if I was using the four gauge set.

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                      • #12
                        QUOTE]so is this a sign of running lean or what??? I just ordered 45s and 50s and I have 3 sizes of pilots do you think I should jet up and put the needles back to stock??[/QUOTE]

                        I would sync first and see how it runs. If it runs good do a chop test and see how the plugs look at the higher rpms. The plugs will tell all.

                        John,

                        I use the single gauge method with the aquarium manifold,it works pretty good but I think my gauge is going. My local Princess Auto sells single gauges for like $6.95 (they are the smaller ones designed to be mounted on machinery) and was thinking of making a four gauge unit out of them. I haven't seen any dampers though. Do you know a good method of making a damper for each gauge?
                        (My single gauge I just use a pvc plenum to damp it.)
                        Ernie
                        79XS1100SF (no longer naked, now a bagger)
                        (Improving with age, the bike that is)

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                        • #13
                          Mikes sells a pretty fair set of gauges for $59 seems to work well, good dampening.

                          found at : http://www.mikesxs.net/mikesxs-fuel_...ategory_id=4.7

                          item & 35-1388

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                          • #14
                            Ernie

                            I have read here that you can use an old pilot jet and just stick it in the hose. The small orifice will dampen the pulses.

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                            • #15
                              Thanks John,

                              I gots a few extra of them!!!!
                              Ernie
                              79XS1100SF (no longer naked, now a bagger)
                              (Improving with age, the bike that is)

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