Got er runnin...bit worried though

[Nate Dogg]

Okay so after reading the posts further and due to the lack of carb kits here in town, I delved back into the bike. Started it up and the enging puked gasoil all over the place. I have the crankcase tube dropping its load infront of the rear tire...thinking thats a poor place now..so WILL need help figuring what to do with that...
So changed plugs and gasoil...TERRIBLE!! Crankcase filled with oil...so no lubrication what-so-ever to the engine. Change the oil...bike has an aftermarket oil cooler on it so i added about 4 quarts total thinking that would be cool. Start the bike, all the pipes are hot...idling a bit low so i turned the screw up...sounds better. Perviously I tightened the header bolts cause they were loose...have no idea how tight, like TIGHT or just real snug...so...
Enging is running, no more backfiring or belching, coming down off the revs pretty well then I hear this SCREAMING SCREECHING kind of wooshing sound...engine stumbles a bit and and wants to die-oil light flickers...give er a little more gas...the scenario repeats...take it for a wee wee bit of a spin and Im losing PUMPING oil out the crankcase tube...all over the rear tire...uhuh...not good...park the bike. So some questions....the left bank pipes are quite blue...will this turn back chrome or golden as the bike richens or is that permanent? What the heck is the screaching?? How tight do I tighten the headers...why is oil dumping out the crankcase vent tube? And last but not least, should I be able to shift the cycle into more gears than first when it is not running or simply idling...ALL I can feel is first, doesnt seem to want to kick up into any other gears...had to adjust the clutch cable cause putting it into 1st killed the engine...I only adjusted it at the lever though
Again, thanks for any and all responses. BTW, tach seems to be dead...
TAHDAH...hey it was a $500.00 Bike...
Nathan

[birch]

Well, sounds like you have a hell of a mess.
I am by no means a guru or expert when it comes to these bikes, but I do know that if you overfill the case, then oil will pump out of the ventilation tube directly in front of your rear tire. If you just added four quarts of oil thinking that would be cool without checking the oil window, they the excess oil will exit the most the easiest route possible. Make sure your bike is level and check the oil level.

As for the screeching, that could be a million things.

You should be able to get all five gears without the engine running. Rock your bike forwards and backwards with the bike in first gear. Then, upshift as you are rocking the bike.

Depends on the chrome. If there was oil on the chrome as it heated up, it might be permanently etched in.

It sounds to me that the blue chrome should be the least of your worries right now

[birch]

What do you mean when you wrote, "Crankcase filled with oil...so no lubrication what-so-ever to the engine."

[Nate Dogg]

Im a glass half full sort of guy...I did manage to get it running with no gas pouring out of the carbs...as for the bluing, I didnt know if that would go away or not...thougt if the bike was more rich maybe the color would change back to normal but perhaps not : )

[Nate Dogg]

Sorry, meant "gasoil" heavy on the gas...hey whoever owned/worked oon the bike before me must have been a real tool...everything is tighter than crap, somethings loose as can be..etc etc etc..

[tarzan]

Did you remove the drain plug behind the oil filter housing
to drain it?Or did you you drain it by removing the filter bolt?Because if you dont remove both,you will only get a quart of oil or so out.And you would still have a lot of oil in the crankcase.Then when you added 4 new quartz it would be way too full.
DAMHIKIJK!And if this were to be the case it would push oil everywhere,also it would probably build up quite a bit of pressure.
So you may want to check the book and make sure .If this is the problem you probably didnt hurt anything yet.
Also yes the headers will turn blue.Especially on aftermarket headers that are single wall tubing

[Nate Dogg]

Thanks for the replies!!! Well the book said 3.7 quarts if you change the oil filter too which i sort of did...emptied it out, blew it out etc. Yes i did find the drain plug which Hercules must have tightened...had to get the fricking cheater bar to losen the oil plug...goodness...so A little oil coming out is an okay thing then as long as it doesnt continue I guess??

I read somewhere if the pipes were blue it meant a lean condition...the left bank are blue, right is more gold...
BUT IT RUNS AND HAS FIRST GEAR!!! Can I get a WOOT WOOT

[birch]

blowing out the oil filter wil do absolutly nothing for the good of the bike. In fact, you probably tore the crap out of it. It is junk. Spend 5.00 on a new one. There should be zero oil coming out of the ventilation tube.

Are you yanking our chains?

[wa407mpp]

Four qts. shouldn't be too much, if you have a cooler. That's what I put in my bike and I've never had a problem. I think the others are right, about not draining all the oil, before refilling, and the sound you described could of been a vac. leak, check the carb. fittings, especially on the two cyl. with the blue pipes.

[trbig]

Makes me think you still have gas going into the crankcase. The squeel could be the gasoline washed bearings dying.... or rings about to weld themselves to the cylinder walls. DO NOT RUN THE BIKE UNTIL YOU GET THE CARB ISSUES WORKED OUT. As the crankcase fills with gas, it will displace the oil and pressures will push it out the vent tube.

Get the carbs out. Normally, no carb kits are needed. Clean clean clean... then clean some more. Just don't soak the carb boddies. When you think you have it, mount the carbs right side up on your bench to a board or something and attach a fuel line to them and see if they leak there before installing back on your bike. There are also vent tubes on your carbs that will cause them to do this stuff if they are plugged. If they still leak, order some new needle valves and seats. There are several places to order them from. Order them as a set.. not just new needles.

Good luck, and I hope permanent damage hasn't occured. There is a product called Simichrome that most bike shops carry. It may not get all the blueing off the pipes, but a little elbow grease and they will look MUCH improved. It works better than Blue-Away in my opinion.

[fredintoon]

Hi Nate,
sounds like the oil is over-full &/or diluted with gas that leaked in from your flooded carbs. That may or may not have done serious damage to your engine, my hopes are with you. The exhaust pipe blueing is caused by the heat from the exhaust gases and it is permanent. If running it cooler would remove it, it would go away of itself once the engine is stopped and the pipe cools down. And it don't, right? There are cleaners that abrade the blue oxide off the chrome's surface but it always comes back after a ride.

[trbig]

There are cleaners that abrade the blue oxide off the chrome's surface but it always comes back after a ride.

The reason your pipes turn blue is because you have jets in the carbs that are plugged and not letting the fuel in properly to the motor which makes it run lean and hot. If you get your carbs set correctly, the pipes won't turn blue when you ride.


Tod

[fredintoon]

Turning blue

Hi Tod,
Britbike pipes ALWAYS turn blue because their pipes are always single-walled so the pipe outer surface reaches almost the same temperature as the exhaust gases.
The colour change is in fact temperature related oxidation and a Britbike's state of tune can be determined by where the colours are on it's pipes. The colours go from purple to blue to dark straw to light straw along the pipe. Ideal tune is purple right at the head fading to blue around the first bend fading to dark & finally to light straw perhaps 2/3rds down the first straight. Thing is, it's a one way process so once overhot exhaust gases drive the colour bands down along the pipe that's where they stay even after the bike is retuned. Obsoleting this ancient wisdom come the Japanese who see blued pipes as a defect rather than a tuning tool and fit all their bikes with double walled exhaust systems that are to a certain degree self-insulating so the outer chromed pipes don't normally get hot enough to discolour. So a person with stock double wall exhaust pipes that have turned blue can be sure that at one time or another the bike's exhaust gases have been REALLY hot.

[Nate Dogg]

okay so Ive thought a bit more about my gushing oil and the screeching soun d...does the bike have an oil pump and I wonder if it is not oiling the head properly...I wonder how I would check this? I did buy a new filter that I will install tomorrow...whn the screech happens, the oil light will come on then i rev it and the oil light goes off...so im wondering if the oil is not pumping out of the crankcase to the top of the engine...is this why the vent tube is pumping it out? I had leaky carbs before..ran out the carbs backwards and out the vent tube...it is not doing that anymore so I think the gas consumption problem is fixed. The engine is not running like it is flooded with gas. Thanks for the help guys!!
Nathan

[planedick]

Probably too late

The screeching then reving it up is going to cost you big time. The screeching is probably because of lack of oil and reving it get just enough to put out the light which is only a couple of pounds of pressure. There is an oil pump that is obviously not working. You need to get a manual and do some real studying about engines before you totally destroy it. It is obvious you need lots more than a little help.