Remote oil filter

[trbig]

Not much thought into the lagistics of it and not trying to take away from TC's spin on filter adapter, it's just MY PERSONAL PREFERENCE to not have the oil filter hanging down like it does with his adapters. There are many vehicles that have a remote spot for the oil filter. My old 88 GMC Jimmy has the oil filter up in the left front (Driver's side) of the engine compartment mounted to the fender with oil lines running to/from it. I'm sure something like this could be had pretty cheaply from a salvage yard and run new lines into it, and the filters are small and readily available.

My question is... if I attached one of these to the bike where my air box used to be, (Kind of out of sight behind my sideplates) can you run the oil from the plate that normally feeds the oil cooler, back to the filter behind the engine, then back forward to an oil cooler before returning to the engine? Would this put too much strain on the stock oil pump to have to pump this distance? The lines could be run under and along the insides of the frame so as not to be an eyesore, and using steel lines, it would provide even more cooling than an oil cooler alone.

Just wondering while awaiting my new oil cooler



It's supposed to cool well even with no air blowing across it. We'll see... $30 including shipping off Ebay. Item # 250190576555


Comments?


Tod

[GNEPIG]

Spiffy thought this time Tod.

The oil pumps are pretty badass, shouldn't be a problem with flow. A check ball strategically placed should keep the oil from draining from the lines when not in use (like the one used to keep the oil in the line that goes to the cams).
Putting the spin-on oil filter just under or above the cam chain adjuster, would be an improvement also (more cooling air, less oil lines).
It would be easy for TC to come up with a routing plate for this.

[trbig]

The level of most of the lines would be at or below the regular level anyway. The filter I am describing on the GMC is upside down and wouldn't drain back either. Being at that level, you wouldn't have a bunch of oil draining back in and causing an over-full situation every startup. No more really than the regular amount to allow for the oil cooler volume and lines. Don't get me wrong, you will require more oil volume, it just wouldn't be all draining back into the crankcase every time. Does anyone else use a check valve when they install an oil cooler?


Tod

[GNEPIG]

Remote oil filter set-up:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...MEWA:IT&ih=004

ooohhh, And it's chrome too

[GNEPIG]

For the man who doesn't care what it looks like. This part is 10 bucks- can't see how that would be wrong.
Before you purchase this item, find out what filter fits this.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...MEWA:IT&ih=020

[TopCatGr58]

Possible to make??

Originally posted by GNEPIG
For the man who doesn't care what it looks like. This part is 10 bucks- can't see how that would be wrong.
Before you purchase this item, find out what filter fits this.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...MEWA:IT&ih=020

Good luck finding out! Perhaps the seller could read the back of the package and tell you, because there isn't any info on the Mr-Gasket web site aside from this:

Official www.mr-gasket.com site!
remote oil filter brkt-single
Service parts for Remote Oil Filter System Kits
Part Number: 7693
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o/filtr by-pass(import metric)
Service parts for Remote Oil Filter System Kits
Part Number: 7679
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o/f by-pass-ford,chry,imports
Service parts for Remote Oil Filter System Kits
Part Number: 7692
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bypass oil filter adapter,chevy 68-up
Service parts for Remote Oil Filter System Kits
Part Number: 7690

I included several other models as an FYI!

As for making/designing a plate to go onto the XS11 engine case for use of one of these seems a bit more complicated. With the help of XSchop and others, I/we were able to come up with the design for the Oil cooler spin on adapter. But it incorporates a fairly easy threaded pipe fitting design where the filter screws right on AT THE PLATE. The problem with NOT having the filter at the plate is being able to find a hose fitting to fit onto the end of the threaded pipe that feeds the oil back into the engine.

The plate design itself wouldn't be too hard, similar to the oil cooler design allowing the oil to flow from the inside of the plate to the outer side fitting, then to your remote filter bracket, then to an oil cooler if you wanted, and then finally back to the adapter plate....but this is where it would need a special fitting, possibly an "L" shaped one so the hose wouldn't be pointing directly down!

The barbed hose fittings I got from McMaster-Carr were standard NPT threaded types. The threaded pipe going into the engine is 20mm x 1.5mm pitch. And another problem arises. Since the filter isn't going to cover the mounting pipe area, not sure how well a design for making an oil tight seal where the plate would be secured against the engine using the washer/nut combo since the pipe is threaded?? I guess an O-ring under the washer against the plate, and some teflon thread tape seal for the threads between the nut and threaded pipe, since I don't think, but I'm not sure about being able to acquire a shoulder nut/washer combo in that size!?

Suggestions!?
T.C.

[trbig]

This one is more the style I was looking at... Ebay item # 330192457648 The feed lines come in from the sides. Picky, ain't I?? lol. I think with something like this, and if you painted the filter silver or black at least a week in advance to let the paint set up... it wouldn't look too bad. I'm still looking to route it to the back of the motor, so don't mind me. lol. I was even considering making some sort of bracket that attached to the the back two screws of the case vent cover, I'm just not too sure about the weight of that and lines bouncing on plastic... although that cover is pretty stout. I'm also looking at maybe attaching something to the front of the battery box. I'll have to get the engine back into the frame first to see what would be best.

Tod

[TopCatGr58]

Hey Tod,

I just have to ask, is it concern over impact to the filter sitting in the front of the engine that worries you?? Or the ground clearance? I've seen photos posted of folks with 4-1 collectors that sit several inches BELOW the point where the spin on filter would sit!

Look how far down the bottom edge of your exhaust pipes sit and I'd bet that the spin on filter wouldn't stick out beyond that level!

After sleeping on it, I realized that the mounting pipe I make from SOLID threaded rod could be tapped to allow the fitting of the 1/4" NPT thread, so that a hose nipple could be fixed to the end of the mounting pipe. McMaster-Carr didn't have any shoulder nuts in the desired size, so it would have to be combination of O-rings between the washer and plate, and possibly a nylon one between the nut and washer, with teflon sealing tape to fully seal off the chance of oil slipping down around/between the threads of the pipe and securing nut!

But, again, would welcome other folks with other ideas for sealing a plate?
T.C.

[wa407mpp]

remote filter

I have an oil cooler on my bike that uses an adapter that bolts between the block and the filter cover, using a large hollow bolt that the stock filter cover bolt screws into and has two hose nipples with hoses to the cooler and back. It uses a stock filter o ring as a gasket. It's is a big name brand but I don't remember who, next oil change I'll pull it off and look for a name and take some piks. I think it would work for a remote filter as well as a cooler.

[trbig]

TC,

No, the functionality of the filters sitting there in front isn't the problem. It's simply the visual aspects of it. It's just my personal opinion and in no way want to tarnish your excellent idea. That's why I was talking about running mine behind the motor, painting it black, hiding it behind the sidecovers etc. It's just me that thinks a filter isn't very aesthetically pleasing. I don't want to say anything bad about you or your mod and I do appreciate all the time and effort you put into them to help people.

Some like a chopped bike, some like them bone stock. Some like a fairing, some like them naked. This is just my preference is all. Thanks.

Tod

[fredintoon]

Hangin' down

Hi TC,
as you say, the spin-on oil filter hangs down no further than the stock pipes and not as far down as several types of aftermarket pipes.
BUT
A pipe hits a rock and gets a dent in it and so what? unless it's a serious dent the performance won't noticeably suffer.
The tin can filter hits a rock and it can get a hole in it. The oil pump will then promptly dump all the engine oil onto the street and the oil light won't light up soon enough to save the motor.

[TopCatGr58]

In the eye of the beholder.

Hey Tod,

Relax, no aspersions assumed, I know the SOFA's aren't for everyone...thankfully, since I can't make them very fast anyways!

Well, Fred, something like the following would fix the aesthetics as well as the strength concerns!

Dennis Kirk


Road Star Oil Filter Cover
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Road Star Oil Filter Cover

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Of course, these are for different machines, and so the mounting might need to be rigged....OR....I could even look into what it would take to make something like them to fit on the filter??

But, yeah, Tod, the Fram Orange/Black thing is a bit unsightly, but Jessie/81XSproject informed me that some of the other brand of filters of the same size DON'T have the prominent recess in the center where the filter fits onto the mounting pipe allowing for clearance for the securing nut that sticks out beyond the oil seal mating surface!

SO.... a modification to the SOFCA may be in the works to allow the use of OTHER brands of filters of the required size/diameter so that folks can use them instead of just the FRAM!? I just didn't realise that the other filters didn't have that same recessed area, I thought it was a standard design?

Is it the sight of the Orange filter that's unappealing, or just a filter in general?? I guess the OEM filter cover looks more like ENGINE than bare exposed filter?

Anyways, I'll look into whether I can make a plate that will work for what you're looking for!
T.C.

[trbig]

The oil pump will then promptly dump all the engine oil onto the street and the oil light won't light up soon enough to save the motor.

I had the oil plug come out when I was taking the bike on it's first test ride before I bought it. The PO had stripped it. All that oil spews out on the ground right in front of your back tire. You'll realize something's amiss before the oil is all gone... hopefully not as you're standing over your bike in the ditch after it slipped out from under you. It resembles riding on black ice... kind of exciting! lol.


TC,

Here's another one I'm bidding on. It would work also, but I would prefer one having the lines in from the sides.. It wouldn't have to be pretty and shiney as far as I'm concerned since I'm thinking about painting it black anyway, but some may. It would be nice to have one that took alot smaller filter though.

Ebay # 220176318746

Tod

[TopCatGr58]

Tod,

Any of the remove filter brackets will work, since they have both in and out lines that you would connect to either the Engine Adapter plate alone, or with a cooler!

What I'm concerned with is the ENGINE plate, and the position of the hose fittings, one CAN be designed into the side of the plate, but the other has to go into the end of the threaded pipe that fits into where the OEM oil filter bolt goes, to hold the plate against the engine with the securing nut/washer, and so some type of fitting needs to go on the END of that mounting pipe for the return oil feed to finally get back into the engine after running thru the filter/cooler combo.

I think I can tap the threads into the inside end of the threaded pipe for a 1/4" NPT fitting which would be 3/8" hose size, could be a little tricky to get a 90 degree angled fitting for it and have it end up pointing in the right direction(forward) when it's all tight!
T.C.

[trbig]

one CAN be designed into the side of the plate

Why can't both of them be? The normal oil cooler adapter plates have them both on the side. I'm just going to run it with my filter cup below it minus the internal filter... or am I misunderstanding as normal?


Tod